Brexit Deal

[FIFTY]

Poverty now (generally) is having only one mobile 'phone and there are some very poor areas near to me that prove this.

I work in central London which is an affluent part of the world and the amount of people living on the street is tragic. Numbers have only been rising and it can happen to anyone. There are too many people to help at once but if I ever have any cash I will give it to them and I don't care what they do with it

 

[Wattie]

And now Scottish representatives are pushing harder for another referendum on independence, what’s that all about ?.

Hmmm sh1t English mp’s perhaps.

 

[Wattie]

I find sturgeon such an annoying mare and i'm not convinced the Scottish people agree with her

Well I suggest you count the votes.
Johnson, Corbyn, Swinson, not annoying then.inept......
Ill vote cos there’s nothing else.
Westminster is a bygone.....for Scotland.

 

[lifes2short]

Well I suggest you count the votes.
Johnson, Corbyn, Swinson, not annoying then.inept......
Ill vote cos there’s nothing else.
Westminster is a bygone.....for Scotland.

time will tell, rather complicated for them now if we are leaving on 31st January, would have to re-join the EU, another hard border

 

[Wattie]

Errrr......time to heal the wounds rather than reopen them?

No ones taking offence to this but you can’t state one thing for months and months and then state another overnight.
The UK’s mess was caused by a referendum result that did not get support.
GeoffC’s ok with this, we’re cool, I’m sure he’ll come back if he ain’t happy.

 

[Wattie]

I work in central London which is an affluent part of the world and the amount of people living on the street is tragic. Numbers have only been rising and it can happen to anyone. There are too many people to help at once but if I ever have any cash I will give it to them and I don't care what they do with it

Would you like my bank details?
I will buy a Maserati.

 

[Wattie]

time will tell, rather complicated for them now if we are leaving on 31st January, would have to re-join the EU, another hard border

Johnson has pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes. Brexit hasn’t even begun and unless he calls ******** on the current agreement the Uk is screwed as the Eu hold s the upper hand for trade talks
.. As others have said .....that some have said for months......with such a majority he needs to go back and tear it up........we ain’t having that.
Here’s our terms.
Take it
Leave it.
Or Bye.

 

[Wanderer]

Well, that was a negative and right now I need two positives. One to cancel out the negative and one just so I can have a positive.....

 

[lifes2short]

Johnson has pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes. Brexit hasn’t even begun and unless he calls **** on the current agreement the Uk is screwed as the Eu hold s the upper hand for trade talks
.. As others have said .....that some have said for months......with such a majority he needs to go back and tear it up........we ain’t having that.
Here’s our terms.
Take it
Leave it.
Or Bye.

we'll have to agree to disagree on that i'm afraid, I see the pound is rallying now, all good as far as I can see, wattie you need to have some pma

 

[Rwc13]

we'll have to agree to disagree on that i'm afraid, I see the pound is rallying now, all good as far as I can see, wattie you need to have some pma

I also disagree, I think Boris has been incredibly astute all along in the way he has managed a dysfunctional parliament, in the way he got an improved deal that could be supported, and then called an election to get the majority he needs to make a success of future trade talks with the EU. He’s now in the enviable position of being able to play the EU against the US in trade talks with the possibility of forcing a good deal with both. And I wouldn’t bet against him looking at his track record of delivering what he has promised.

He’s been called a buffoon, but he’s made buffoons of his detractors. And I actually thought his speech this morning was thoughtful, balanced and well delivered with the characteristic Boris humour. A true statesmen being born? Watch this space

 

[GeoffCapes]

I also disagree, I think Boris has been incredibly astute all along in the way he has managed a dysfunctional parliament, in the way he got an improved deal that could be supported, and then called an election to get the majority he needs to make a success of future trade talks with the EU. He’s now in the enviable position of being able to play the EU against the US in trade talks with the possibility of forcing a good deal with both. And I wouldn’t bet against him looking at his track record of delivering what he has promised.

He’s been called a buffoon, but he’s made buffoons of his detractors. And I actually thought his speech this morning was thoughtful, balanced and well delivered with the characteristic Boris humour. A true statesmen being born? Watch this space

There are many political leaders in history who have played the fool in public only to be astute leaders and negotiators.
Boris is obviously one of them. I guess......

His reign as PM has only just started, so we shall see how he copes now that he has a mandate.

 

[jasst]

Some great comments here from dedicated remainders, all respect to you for accepting the decision of the electorate, now w can all work together to make this country great after we get through the initial problems that need it will bring, a view I have always held.

 

[JonW]

I’m amazed and a little disappointed by the suggestions that Boris ought to rip up the agreed deal and renegotiate.

I personally think this would be a disaster - as the electorate have voted for the current deal - in massive numbers...

Loads of people who are staunch Labour or Lib Dem supporters have voted Tory because they want to move on past Brexit. This was done with knowledge of what the current deal is. I originally voted remain (big shock!), but voted Tory in this election knowing I was voting to leave the EU, but doing so because I believe we need to move past Brexit

IMHO the best thing Boris can do is press hard to get the current deal ratified and implemented, leave the EU asap, and then we can start rebuilding the country, and focusing on making the most of the opportunities available to us.

 

[outrun]

And now Scottish representatives are pushing harder for another referendum on independence, what’s that all about ?.

Not surprising given the increase in their stranglehold up here however like all politics, it doesn't tell the true story IMHO.

- The SNP increased for two reasons. i) Labour in Scotland lost a good centre-left leader in Kezia Dugdale and appointed a lame, lefty in Richard Leonard. He's devoid of personality and followed the Corbyn dream which Scots don't want. and ii) in the last election, the resurgence of the Tories in Scotland can be put down to Ruth Davidson who is respected across all parties and unfortunately stepped aside after giving birth to recover from PND. I think we'll see her back before too long. So it's less a case of SNP upsurge and more a case of downturns for the opposition. Oh and there's a iii) actually which is (or was) Jo Swinson. She is well-known for her leadership aspirations and did not campaign for her constituency and so they voted with their pencils. She got drawn south for her own gains and the people didn't appreciate that.

So rather than being the mandate for IndyRef2, which wee Nicola claims, it's more an FU to poor leadership and westminster centric views. The Tories that voted with Boris for fear of losing their place in the party, were going directly against local constituents and several have paid the price as a result. They were forced into the fire but at least they could have stood up for themselves against the inevitable loss.

So, it's not really about an upsurge in demand for independence and more an upsurge in demand for strong, local, politics that drives forward improvements that are real and tangible. The people of Scotland are bored of Brexit, bored of Marxism and bored of self-serving Southerners.

 

[empzb]

So that's it
Pleased Boris is in to get Brexit finished (I voted leave)
Not so pleased he is in with a big majority as he can now steam roll some less palatable (to me) things through without compunction.
I am optimistic though
Pleased JC has gone. Labour need someone in the vein of Mr Blair - moderate, in order to have any chance of election again.
The British people do not like extremes and we are not in 1949 anymore when radical change was required.
Poverty now (generally) is having only one mobile 'phone and there are some very poor areas near to me that prove this.
Labour lost the election more than BJ won it. Labour have been inept for 10 years or more while the Tories were in disarray

I would say you have no idea in that case of what real poverty is. Mobile phones are irrelevant, it may be they have that instead of a landline (likely as I do), they use it as their only entertainment as cant afford internet at home or have a home cinema, or consoles, etc.

We're a skewed population and fortunate but I've seen for some here that hasn't always been the case, myself included and while I've never had it as bad as many due to having family, others arent so fortunate. Even the we had hand me down clothes, ones we wore for years, basic mobiles, **** food (luckily no food banks) being bullied because of it, vitamin deficiency, no fruit or veg, free school meals, then how that affects social circles and the lives people live, expectations etc. Then on even worse scales there is the true homeless population, those just scraping by month to month, 3 months from homelessness etc.

I dont disagree many milk the hard up card. My mother is one of them despite being very asset rich, but people are struggling and the number is growing.

 

[BennyD]

Thank Agent did his job. He came from the far fringes of political ineptitude and has returned after showing us all why. Brexit, bring it on! I’m off to the pub to celebrate. Happy days!

 

[GeoffCapes]

I’m amazed and a little disappointed by the suggestions that Boris ought to rip up the agreed deal and renegotiate.

I personally think this would be a disaster - as the electorate have voted for the current deal - in massive numbers...

Loads of people who are staunch Labour or Lib Dem supporters have voted Tory because they want to move on past Brexit. This was done with knowledge of what the current deal is. I originally voted remain (big shock!), but voted Tory in this election knowing I was voting to leave the EU, but doing so because I believe we need to move past Brexit

IMHO the best thing Boris can do is press hard to get the current deal ratified and implemented, leave the EU asap, and then we can start rebuilding the country, and focusing on making the most of the opportunities available to us.

Boris's deal is awful. It's the same as Teresa May's but with a slight change regarding Northern Ireland.

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Why wouldn't you want to renegotiate?

 

[JonW]

Why wouldn't you want to renegotiate?

Because it’s not what Boris campaigned on as part of the election.

If Boris and the Tories had campaigned on the basis of “Give us a majority and we will renegotiate with the EU or take us out of the EU on a no deal basis”, then what you’re suggesting would be fine.

However, I don’t think that’s what they did. I think they campaigned on the basis of “We have an agreed deal. It’s a good deal. It’s there to be done, and we just need to get on and do it”....

Given this, to do anything other than press on and implement the Withdrawal Agreement deal that is on the table would be wrong and yet another example of a politician saying one thing and then doing another...

 

[daverichardson]

I would say you have no idea in that case of what real poverty is. Mobile phones are irrelevant, it may be they have that instead of a landline (likely as I do), they use it as their only entertainment as cant afford internet at home or have a home cinema, or consoles, etc.

We're a skewed population and fortunate but I've seen for some here that hasn't always been the case, myself included and while I've never had it as bad as many due to having family, others arent so fortunate. Even the we had hand me down clothes, ones we wore for years, basic mobiles, **** food (luckily no food banks) being bullied because of it, vitamin deficiency, no fruit or veg, free school meals, then how that affects social circles and the lives people live, expectations etc. Then on even worse scales there is the true homeless population, those just scraping by month to month, 3 months from homelessness etc.

I dont disagree many milk the hard up card. My mother is one of them despite being very asset rich, but people are struggling and the number is growing.

We will have to disagree on this one then. I think I do recognise poverty.
I will leave it there
no offence intended

 

[ChrisQP09]

If Boris had won the 1st leadership contest, we could have had a trade deal by now! A little optimistic but he would have done a **** of a lot better than Teresa May.

Rather than having the 2nd shortest tenure of any PM, Boris has risen from the ashes to achieve a political comeback on a biblical scale. Kudos indeed.