Brexit Deal

[Wattie]

Exactly, wouldn’t be the first time Europe had experienced a country renaging on money they said they would pay up.

 

[Oneball]

Exactly, wouldn’t be the first time Europe had experienced a country renaging on money they said they would pay up.

Don’t think France will do much good by occupying the Ruhr this time around.

 

[GeoffCapes]

We tell them to go jump on 39Billion.
No deal means no money....what they gonna do, take us to a European court?

Are you seriously suggesting we should actually contemplate a no deal Brexit???

 

[Wattie]

yes for all the reasons I’ve stated before, umpteen times.

 

[2b1ask1]

It's a trap!!!

 

[Wattie]

Are you seriously suggesting we should actually contemplate a no deal Brexit???

Are you seriously suggesting we should actually contemplate “remaining” because Europe won’t give us a deal?

29th March 2017, phone call, Downing St/Brussels.

Theresa- good morning JC, hows it hanging, Ca va bien?
Jean C - Bonjour, non, pas bien, eh.....no not really Theresa, you’ve just triggered Article 50.
Theresa- yes, yes we did Jean.
Jean C - so you’re definitely leaving us then.
Theresa- yes, yes we are. We must respect the referendum result as we’ve all been elected on it and parliament has confirmed that this will happen - unless of course we get “no deal” from you.
I was looking at booking flights to Brussels later this week so we can start our leaving negotiations.....when are you free?
Jean C - click.............beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.
Theresa- Jean, Jean are you still there....there’s such a lot for us to talk about and we only have 730 days left

 

[Wattie]

No deal or me...and I've realised this is what was going to happen months ago.

EU refuse to bend so the no deal is triggered. They should be told they wont get their divorce payment until a new deal is struck in the interim period.

Fed up of being bullied by the EU, and the reason so many of us wanted out in the first place!

Spin on a few years and depending upon what deal we get it will go one of too ways:
1. UK left out in the wilderness and struggle on through tough times
2. UK flourish, other EU countries look onwards and start stamping feet to leave too. This then puts the UK top of the pile with the exiting EU countries and brings about the end of the EU project.

The EU know this and will do everything to protect their project and this requires failure of the UK Brexit....well, wouldn't you if you were the EU?

Thanks for answering Geoff re the Euro. I’d be very surprised if any/many remainers wanted to adopt the Euro.

One of the reasons I voted leave is because I believe that the Europe and the Euro will implode at some point. I think fiscal strains and the total disillusionment of individuals in countries suffering from such will at some point prove too much.

The current migrant crisis (fueled by reckless regime change/driven policy) simply accelerates the problems.

Europe’s situation is getting worse and as each year goes by and many People have no voice, no hope and no chance of prosperity anymore.

Since the GFC the Eurozone has required constant ECB/Brussels intervention as it lurches from one crisis to the next ( it’s effectively a ponzi scheme)

Brussels has intervened at the expense of democracy and I believe has gotten way too big for its boots.

Further, Brussels wants even more Europe and by definition even more CONTROL, Frankly it needs this power so that its grip on dissenters is not challenged.

IMO the further the Uk distances itself from a reliance on Europe/Brussels the better placed it will be when the shtf and the whole shambolic, Ill conceived project finally succumbs and chaos ensues.

 

[Rwc13]

This ^

Ask the general population in the late joining Eastern European countries whether they are now better off in the EU/Euro and many/most will say no. They joined on the basis of a pack of EU propaganda and lies that said their economies would be stronger as members and were then bullied by the EU into accepting an Euro transition rate that was totally unsustainable for their economies. So their economies have in many ways got weaker rather than stronger. But what has grown is manipulation by the few of the corruption endemic in the great EU machine to get richer at the expense of the poorer. So many of the younger generation leave because they can only earn a sustainable living wage by doing so. This further weakens their economies as the workforce ages and there is little new wealth creation. And those that leave can never afford to come back because of their new relative living standards elsewhere. The whole European experiment is a disaster waiting to happen covered up for decades by an ECB getting ever closer to the point of collapse. Even the traditionally strong European economies are now looking over the precipice as they have to cope with the consequences of free movement of people and supporting the dying economies of the weaker nations - and as a consequence we see the growing strength of the extreme right in these countries as they resent what the EU is now doing to their own countries and economies. I find it staggering that the Remainers keep trotting out the view that the EU is good (for us) and we will be worse off if we leave. They seem completely unable to look past the EU’s own propaganda. And they accuse the leavers off having their heads in the sand!! It’s hilarious

 

[Phil the Brit]

Its our only bargaining tool, use it!

We can NOT renege on the 39 billion promised. We are an honourable country which will not refuse to pay what is owed.
The main problem if we do is that we will be seen as shafting the EU. It will severely disrupt a lot of future trade deal with EU member countries worth far more in the long term.
May might be obstinate but she ain't stupid.

 

[midlifecrisis]

Getting back to reality. I didn't think the Spitfire has the range.

If it took off from Biggin Hill, it being still open and actually has spitfires there. The ferry range is around 1135 miles for a Mark V. So it could get to Brussels Airport and get back on a tank full. However she would have to fly it herself. So she'll have to take the mark VB which is the twin seater....


You’re Welcome...

 

[Wattie]

We can NOT renege on the 39 billion promised. We are an honourable country which will not refuse to pay what is owed.
The main problem if we do is that we will be seen as shafting the EU. It will severely disrupt a lot of future trade deal with EU member countries worth far more in the long term.
May might be obstinate but she ain't stupid.

They can have it if they get reasonable and drop the fu****** ridiculous backstop where we can’t leave without their permission.
That ain’t a Deal that’s imprisonment forever which is why it was so hated. Gees look at the Davis resignation letter.... is May a E.U. remain“plant” ?
It’s so bad it’s incredulous to think she thought it was s good deal! Ffs!!!!!
It will severely disrupt a lot of Europe if they don’t get that money!
Let’s use it rebuild, subsidies and support the Uk/ businesses during the transition or we agree and say repay the E.U. at say a £1000 a month,
Gotta grow some and fight back against these *******. Fight fire with fire or we’re gonna end up totally ScrEUwed!!!!!

 

[Oneball]

This ^

Ask the general population in the late joining Eastern European countries whether they are now better off in the EU/Euro and many/most will say no. They joined on the basis of a pack of EU propaganda and lies that said their economies would be stronger as members and were then bullied by the EU into accepting an Euro transition rate that was totally unsustainable for their economies. So their economies have in many ways got weaker rather than stronger. But what has grown is manipulation by the few of the corruption endemic in the great EU machine to get richer at the expense of the poorer. So many of the younger generation leave because they can only earn a sustainable living wage by doing so. This further weakens their economies as the workforce ages and there is little new wealth creation. And those that leave can never afford to come back because of their new relative living standards elsewhere. The whole European experiment is a disaster waiting to happen covered up for decades by an ECB getting ever closer to the point of collapse. Even the traditionally strong European economies are now looking over the precipice as they have to cope with the consequences of free movement of people and supporting the dying economies of the weaker nations - and as a consequence we see the growing strength of the extreme right in these countries as they resent what the EU is now doing to their own countries and economies. I find it staggering that the Remainers keep trotting out the view that the EU is good (for us) and we will be worse off if we leave. They seem completely unable to look past the EU’s own propaganda. And they accuse the leavers off having their heads in the sand!! It’s hilarious

You’ve completely failed to mention the financial/banking crisis and World economic downturn, are you a banker?

We can NOT renege on the 39 billion promised. We are an honourable country which will not refuse to pay what is owed.
The main problem if we do is that we will be seen as shafting the EU. It will severely disrupt a lot of future trade deal with EU member countries worth far more in the long term.
May might be obstinate but she ain't stupid.

I’m not suggesting we should pay but that we shouldnt start paying until there is a deal.

Are you seriously suggesting we should actually contemplate a no deal Brexit???

Yes, I know think it’s the best option. We need to bumble into a no deal without that being a conscious decision. It’s the only way both Parliament and the EU will come to an acceptable deal.

 

[Rwc13]

You’ve completely failed to mention the financial/banking crisis and World economic downturn, are you a banker?

Another Remainer one liner with no substance or even relevance to what I just said, unless you really think you can lay this at the door of the GFC? And which world economic downturn are you talking about and how is it relevant to the situation I just described and it’s respective timeline which Is based on fact and first hand experience - not something read in the Guardian

 

[MaserCoupe]

No deal Brexit will unify Ireland and we wave goodbye to the Emerald Isle, Scotland will also align itself to Europe, no Brexit is ever more likely so sorry thanks for playing............

 

[Oneball]

The EU did a very good job investing in Spain I believe that if it wasn’t for the financial crisis they would have done the same for the latest joiners.

My point wasn’t that the crisis was to blame but that like most Brexiteers you had considered it’s effects were insignificant and as such any problems in the EU were purely of their own making. There’s an awful lot in Italy that suggest the same.

 

[Oneball]

No deal Brexit will unify Ireland and we wave goodbye to the Emerald Isle, Scotland will also align itself to Europe, no Brexit is ever more likely so sorry thanks for playing............

I’m genuinely surprised that throughout this Sinn Fein haven’t taken up their seats in Parliament this has been their best chance in 104 years.

 

[Wattie]

That depends on which day you ask Europe.

Mr Barnier said: “If we’re facing a no deal...we’ll have to find an operational way of carrying out checks and controls without putting back in place a border.”
His remarks came just 24 hours after the Commission’s chief spokesman had said it was “obvious” no deal could lead to a hard border"

Not sure why you can't apply the same logic to "May's Deal" or any other unless of course they don't want to offer you one and hope that MP's bottle a "no deal" position.

Cheers Wattieovski

Look, re the 37 billion, see above,

Get “operational” and renogiotiate the ridiculousbackstop without putting in a border.....like you said could happen under a no deal Barnier.

It’s obvious to leavers what’s happening.
Remainers, appear to have tunnel (euro)vision

 

[Rwc13]

The EU did a very good job investing in Spain I believe that if it wasn’t for the financial crisis they would have done the same for the latest joiners.

My point wasn’t that the crisis was to blame but that like most Brexiteers you had considered it’s effects were insignificant and as such any problems in the EU were purely of their own making. There’s an awful lot in Italy that suggest the same.

Yes they invested billions in Spanish and Portuguese infrastructure - lots of fantastic new motorways that there is never any traffic on.............and still the Spanish and Portuguese leave to find employment elsewhere. You really think it would have been any different without the GFC? And the GFC is quite a long time ago now in economic terms - we are probably through another 1.5ish economic cycles, and still nothing changes because those economies are fundamentally broken and membership of the EU has not helped them, it’s actually made things worse

 

[philw696]

Nearly a 100 pages.

 

[Oneball]

Nearly a 100 pages.

Anyone else remember the round 3 pin plugs?