Brexit Deal

[GeoffCapes]

It’s just another red herring getting in the way of an actual decision. There’s no way Parliament is going to cancel Brexit.

Short term cancellation is how they will sell it!

 

[Oneball]

Short term cancellation is how they will sell it!

There might be 100 that’d vote that way but I don’t reckon it’ll ever reach a majority.

 

[Wattie]

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Good to see you back RV. (second from the right)
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[Wattie]

If there is a General Election, first the Tory party will have a leadership election.

So thinking logically for time scales, if article 50 is recinded, the Tory party election followed by General election then second vote. Then we are into 2020.
Second referendum 2021?
Leave EU (if leave win) 2023.

Given the mess Geoff I cant see the HOP agreeing to another referendum in our lifetimes......total poisoned chalice.

What on earth would the questions be?????

Sample Ballot Questions. Y/N answers.

Would you like to leave the Eu again? Are you sure, we mean are you really, really sure?
Would you like to remain in the Eu even if the vote to leave wins again.
Would you like to Mp’s to decide the answer whether you vote for either of the above?
Would you like the Eu to decide whether we stay or remain in the Eu?
Would you like another vote if remain wins as that makes it 1-1?

 

[Wattie]

Well midlife you’ll be pleased to know that the apparently inconsequential petition is being debated in parliament next week.

Funnily enough it’s scheduled for April fools day!

 

[MaserCoupe]

Funnily enough it’s scheduled for April fools day!

LOL can you imagine TM revoking A50 on that day. Outside N.10 and then resigning. It would be hilarious. I might put a flutter on that.

 

[Wattie]

A long extension to Article 50 is a better option than the British Prime Minister’s draft Withdrawal Agreement, the DUP said. That would keep the UK in the EU for longer. The party’s Brexit spokesman Sammy Wilson said if a deal went through, Britain would have lost its right to leave the EU.

“Even if we are forced into a one-year extension, we at least would have a say on the things which affect us during that time and would have the right to unilaterally decide to leave at the end of that one-year period through the simple decision of not applying for a further extension.”
“Surely this is a better strategy than volunteering to be locked into the prison of the withdrawal deal with the cell door key in the pocket of Michel Barnier.”

Well, finally someone backing their principles, which i believe is to be commended whether you agree with their side or not..
They're in a funny position to, at the moment in power but probably not under a GE......but they're not selling their soul.
I applaud that

 

[Wack61]

Today I phoned up a car covers company to order a, er, car cover. The shipping time is 6 weeks, Crumbs! I enquired, why? Well, they said, many of our machinists are from C/E Europe, and loads of them didn't come back after Christmas because they wanted to work somewhere with better prospects and unfortunately we can't find enough local people who want to work as machinists for what we were paying the eastern europeans

EFA

Unskilled or semi skilled manual labour was a well paid job , for 2 years 1988-1990 I worked in a shoe factory 8-5, 5 days a week , an hour for lunch , 4 weeks paid holiday plus bank holidays , I earned around £300 a week , today that's £476 a week , only there's less than 10% of the factories still open so all those jobs have long gone

Eastern Europeans work for less money than it's worth and employers are happy to let them , now it's all woe is me because they've gone.

Theres was never a shortage of people looking for work in the footwear industry because it was well paid secure employment , if they cant find anyone to do it they're not paying enough

 

[rockits]

It seems to have been a trend for many years to increase profitability by using lower paid labour. More willing or otherwise regardless. Some businesses have used it as a tool to stay in business and actually survive.

That is all well and good but it is just masking a bigger issue and the source issue. The answer is to fix the problem at source not find a plaster to mask the issue a bit longer. Maybe by increasing prices or finding some UK labour that want to get off their butt and work. Either way we should be able to fix this without employing such a high percentage of foreign/EU labour.

Of course there will always be a need and an opportunity for foreign/EU labour but it should be at a lower percentage. We should be able to look after and support ourselves better.

 

[Corranga]

You both seem to be overlooking the obvious. The shoe is only worth what someone will pay for it. Pay a proper UK employee and raise your prices, watch the consumer buy the cheaper imported version, which is probably as good anyway.

Britain, in particular, working class Britain wants the cheap goods and the highly paid work. It want to turn down the low wages, low skill jobs and moan about a lack of employment.

These companies hiring cheaper labour was as much, if not more about staying in business, rather than to make more profits. That won't be reversed in a post brexit Britain just because some eastern Europeans stay at home after their summer holidays..

 

[rockits]

Might be reversed post Brexit if it is a hard one. Would make those imports seem a lot less attractive!

If you can't raise prices and can't be efficient enough to compete then your business will fail. Simple economics. Maybe look at another busines that is more viable or do something else. I have sympathy and no sympathy in the same breath weirdly.

I think much of the price we are paying now is down to gradual changes and decisions we made some years ago. It won't take 5 mins to reverse this. It will take some time and much pain. I just don't think many have the desire, stomach or balls for it.

 

[zagatoes30]

As above shoe prices will always be the cheapest they can be manufactured at and that will be outside UK and even Europe for that matter, short if massive import tax nothing will change other than the manufacturing location.

 

[Corranga]

Might be reversed post Brexit if it is a hard one. Would make those imports seem a lot less attractive!

If you can't raise prices and can't be efficient enough to compete then your business will fail. Simple economics. Maybe look at another busines that is more viable or do something else. I have sympathy and no sympathy in the same breath weirdly.

I think much of the price we are paying now is down to gradual changes and decisions we made some years ago. It won't take 5 mins to reverse this. It will take some time and much pain. I just don't think many have the desire, stomach or balls for it.

Of course, you are absolutely right, but I don't see that working, well certainly not in our favour.
It's currently very easy to avoid import taxes with the internet making buying from abroad right at your finger tips, and I don't see that getting any more difficult. If anything, we'll see a rise of the old Sunday markets with counterfeit goods again.

This is also what happened in 70s/80s Britain, when our manufacturing industry all but disappeared.

The British public getting rid of their Nike's over Brexit is doubtful. The British public rioting over no Nike's seems more likely to me than them rioting over politics!

 

[Zep]

Given the mess Geoff I cant see the HOP agreeing to another referendum in our lifetimes......total poisoned chalice.

What on earth would the questions be?????

Sample Ballot Questions. Y/N answers.

Would you like to leave the Eu again? Are you sure, we mean are you really, really sure?
Would you like to remain in the Eu even if the vote to leave wins again.
Would you like to Mp’s to decide the answer whether you vote for either of the above?
Would you like the Eu to decide whether we stay or remain in the Eu?
Would you like another vote if remain wins as that makes it 1-1?

I have been pondering this. This article - What do voters make of Brexit now? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47693645 - seems to suggest that there is some public support for a further vote, but not another leave vs remain vote. Much like the indicative votes for Parliament.

I agree with you, the DUP have shown themselves to be much more interested in their vision for NI than wanting to leave at all costs, unlike the backsliding JRM, BJ etc. They have painted themselves into an idealogical corner and now will pay with their credibility (I hope).

 

[dgmx5]

If JC does get into power, Wattie, have you a spare room?

If JRM or BJ or IDS or DR get into power does Wattie have a spare room?

Let's be honest, you can kick Labour for what you fear would happen but this mess lies squarely at the doors of the Conservative and Unionist Party and not merely Theresa May.

At this rate, the SNP may fancy their chances in seats in England and Wales.

And let's not forget that all this energy has been wasted on the ideological standpoint of whether or not we should be part of, yet stand apart from, the EU which is our current position and costs the average taxpayer less than £100 per annum.

Meanwhile, the mess left behind by "austerity measures", failure to hold corporations accountable for their mismanagement (see Carillion and Interserve) or to pay tax, police cuts, restriction of access to justice, NHS cuts and mismanagement, lack of clear strategy on education, increase in intolerance, buying off of the DUP, housing debacle and erosion of employment rights through zero hours contracts all on the watch of the Tories either as a coalition, majority or minority government gets swept under the carpet.

The one thing JC can be criticised for is that Labour do not represent for many a credible alternative to a persistently incompetent government that has dragged us from the optimism of of a confident Olympics' host in 2012 to a fractious, small minded nation that has lost its way.

 

[GeoffCapes]

And let's not forget that all this energy has been wasted on the ideological standpoint of whether or not we should be part of, yet stand apart from, the EU which is our current position and costs the average taxpayer less than £100 per annum.

It's not even that. £63 each. https://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/eu-membership-costs-us-a-fortune/

That's not even a night out these days.

Would love to see the sums of what it's cost us per person already and what it will cost when we're out.
I would suggest it's cost each person far more than £63 already through rising costs, and we're not even out yet for the bigger ticket things to be added.

 

[Wattie]

I’m watching the HOC and they’re debating the importance of suntan lotion and skin cancer in the Uk.
I am beginning to think somebody has slipped something in my Durif?
“Tough start for the Pm” says sky news!!! !
Wtf.
There is more chance of frostbite in Waitrose fridges....which by the way are about to be banned under a “RFiennes Eu lack of fingers“ initiative by them

 

[Keano]

Its ok The DUP have it covered....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1110869213823057924

 

[Wattie]

If JRM or BJ or IDS or DR get into power does Wattie have a spare room?

Let's be honest, you can kick Labour for what you fear would happen but this mess lies squarely at the doors of the Conservative and Unionist Party and not merely Theresa May.

At this rate, the SNP may fancy their chances in seats in England and Wales.

And let's not forget that all this energy has been wasted on the ideological standpoint of whether or not we should be part of, yet stand apart from, the EU which is our current position and costs the average taxpayer less than £100 per annum.

Meanwhile, the mess left behind by "austerity measures", failure to hold corporations accountable for their mismanagement (see Carillion and Interserve) or to pay tax, police cuts, restriction of access to justice, NHS cuts and mismanagement, lack of clear strategy on education, increase in intolerance, buying off of the DUP, housing debacle and erosion of employment rights through zero hours contracts all on the watch of the Tories either as a coalition, majority or minority government gets swept under the carpet.

The one thing JC can be criticised for is that Labour do not represent for many a credible alternative to a persistently incompetent government that has dragged us from the optimism of of a confident Olympics' host in 2012 to a fractious, small minded nation that has lost its way.

Few thoughts on this.
Unfortunately I’ve only 1 room- bagsied.
SNP- well I’m Scottish and fortunately I have all 3 brain cells active. Scotland wants independence and to join the Euro, Nicola, I suggest you go and fish for sturgeon in the Tay cos it’s more Chance of happening.

“Meanwhile, the mess left behind by "austerity measures", failure to hold corporations accountable for their mismanagement (see Carillion and Interserve) or to pay tax, police cuts, restriction of access to justice, NHS cuts and mismanagement, lack of clear strategy on education, increase in intolerance, buying off of the DUP, housing debacle and erosion of employment rights through zero hours contracts all on the watch of the Tories either as a coalition, majority or minority government gets swept under the carpet”

Now this is important, Austerity does differentiate the UK from the rest of the world. It was a responsible move. The rest are far more reckless. far too much to explain here after a Durif or two.
But I agree.
The rest are symptoms of the GFC and why you should be worried, no one was held accountable.

 

[Wattie]

So she's lost control. if indeed she ever had any in the first place. I would suggest Europe was in total control from day 1.
More resignations.
Chaos.
This imbicile must now go.

By the way Sir Oliver Letwin said this 2 years ago. 40 secs.

He then got elected on this pretty clear promise. His amendment tonight, approved, now allows all of the things he stated we would be doing to be challenged, overruled, destroyed.
Elected liars.
He is of course old school Tory who believes that the people who vote really don’t know what they’re doing when compared to his superior intellect.

Your Sir, are a total W4nker.

Total Brexit betrayal, an "inside job".

I’ve just seen this ****** on Sky trying to dictate the show in the HOP! He cant even speak there are so many marbles in his mouth”
He doesn’t represent the people...never mind the winners..