GeoffCapes
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It will all be about money when people will have none in the bank to pay the bills.
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It will all be about money when people will have none in the bank to pay the bills.
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And the 70's and before. But you are too young to remember that. ;-) Oh and Spanish Bail Bonds. There was a contentious period. Technically you didnt need them but some Spanish police took a different view.
https://www.abi.org.uk/products-and...nce/travelling-to-the-eu-if-a-no-deal-brexit/
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I will look after the Vantage if you struggle to find a home for it for the time.
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Mrs Crud decided it needs selling if we go. Sounds like bollox to me. Storing is what it needs. Or a loving foster home for a while.
GeoffCapes
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Spanish bail bonds! Now there's a blast from the past.
No, hang on, that was bail from a Spanish court!
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Well they have had plenty time to save
MarkMas
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Yeah, maybe, but I bet in practice, there will be announcement on about 28th March that UK driving licences and insurance documents are valid in the EU and vice versa. The problem is that it is all last-minute. The UK government should have started two years ago with, "It will probably be a no-deal' Brexit, so what would we like to agree on regarding reciprocity well in advance of that?" If the EU had refused to discuss it, then it would have clearly been their bad faith not ours.
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Really? I can't see the French doing us any favours at all! Any excuse to fine the British the moment they drive out of the port of Calais. You can bet your life the French police will have a road block and on the spot fines ready to go!
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Any benefits we currently have and enjoy are unlikely to be with us on our departure, otherwise what would be the point in having them in the first place.
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5 weeks to go and still no clue as to what is happening!
I was talking to the CAA yesterday and their approach is, regardless of in or out, deal or no deal, the CAA will continue as though NOTHING has changed, we will still adopt EU/SESAR regulation.
Interestingly, he pointed me to a betting website that had very short odds (i.e it's a certainty) for nothing happening i.e No brexit and long odds for No deal.
I was talking to the CAA yesterday and their approach is, regardless of in or out, deal or no deal, the CAA will continue as though NOTHING has changed, we will still adopt EU/SESAR regulation.
Interestingly, he pointed me to a betting website that had very short odds (i.e it's a certainty) for nothing happening i.e No brexit and long odds for No deal.
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You apply for the IDP at the post office, they provide it to you then and there, takes about 5 minutes once you have got through the queues of course. I have got it in the past for when I went to Thailand and Iran... Costs £15 iirc.
Sounds like that green card is free issued by your insurer upon request - doesn't seem all that different to taking a copy of the cover note with you - other than the fact that you have to ask your insurer for it.
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I had a punt on Brexit being delayed back in June and it was only 3/1 then.
Currently Sky Bet have it at 1/3, although it's 9/4 to leave by the 29th March.
Another referendum before 2020 betting is interesting.
No 7/2
Yes (only) 5/2
Might be worth a punt.
The UK Brexit date is the one though.
By end of March 2019 9/4
April 19 to June 19 11/8
Not before 2022 4/1
June to Sept 19 8/1
Oct 19 to Dec 19 8/1
2021 20/1
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Because it is supposed to be about reciprocity between honest and fair-minded nations. We did not have visa-free travel to France before we joined the EU as some sort of benefit permitted by the EU, it was a recognition of mutually-beneficial reciprocal arrangements. There is no reason (apart from EU bloody-mindedness, or the UK attempting to divide the EU) why the UK and the EU would not agree to continue many forms of co-operation. People go on about the 'benefits of membership' and 'you can't have your cake and eat it', but the way the world should work is through nation-states acting cooperatively with each other, not the agglomeration of nations into super-states with internal freedoms and external antagonisms. My main objection to the EU is that super-states (like USSR, China and Trump's America) can so easily turn into dangerous global bullies and aggressors, with a mentality that the people inside are 'us' and everyone else is 'them'. Many Remainers seem to complain about supposed UK nationalism, but then celebrate EU 'nationalism'.
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We are either in the club or we are not! 17.4 chose out. It stands to reason that we lose the benefits no? We voted to leave the trading bloc so what is the issue? What makes us so "special" that we should continue to enjoy the benefits of reciprocity? Why would 27 nations want to undermine themselves, their trade and the integrity of the single market? No bloody-mindedness there, just common sense. The fact that we are leaving, what makes you think we can be on a level ground with Russia and USA.....So much for that "special relationship" with the USA eh...They will be dictating to us not the other way round!
Hi Vladimir, it's Donny, what would you like me to do for you today? Ah, ok undermine my own security services publicly you say..Ok no problem, anything else? Yeah I'll try to block Muellers investigation into me? What's that Trump tower is coming on fine in Moscow, great! What do you want in exchange for money? Information, sure no problem. P.S got any ammo to fight Clinton with? Great! No collusion, I repeat no collusion!!!
P.S nationalism ain't patriotism......What a load of drivel this Brexit is...People make it sound like we didn't have a say while in it.....Hey ho it's all good in the hood
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Yeah, this is, as I indicated, a frequent refrain in response to the 'straw man' of 'What makes us so "special?' and 'You want to have your cake and eat it'. And it would be a valid point if (a) that is what Brexiters were really saying, (b) the EU was just a club and (c) my points were about 'membership' rather than about relationships with non-members.
It is not a 'club', where you join up to accrue some particular benefits in return for your subscription. It is an 'ever-closer union' subsuming nations into a single super-state, covering all aspects of our lives.
My arguments are not about 'in the club' or 'out of the club', they are about how the 20-30 'club members' could and should interact with the 170-180 'non-members'.
So yes, it would be somewhat unreasonable to say that we want to continue to participate in EU-specific projects or institutions that are just about the EU, if we leave.
Although there are many European projects and institutions that work perfectly well, while NOT being part of the EU (like the European Space Agency, and the European Patent Office) and so there is no reason why the UK, Switzerland, etc cannot be members of various smaller 'European clubs'. It seems regrettable to me, that many people working within the EU machinery seem to think that everything 'European' must be subsumed into the one superstate, rather than just being about co-operation amongst European nations.
And, if there was some goodwill, and not a doctrinaire focus on the EU being 'everything in Europe' we could usefully continue to participate in Europol, Horizon2020, Galleio, Euratom, and loads of other good 'European projects' that have been unnecessarily set up as 'EU projects'.
But also, it is totally reasonable for the UK to expect the EU to agree what are, in effect, bi-lateral agreements on, for example travel and residence for their citizens, driving licence validity, and (yes indeed) trade. I accept that the EU might want to be a ***** about that, in order to try ti intimidate its other members (although think about that for a moment - is that the sort of club you want to be in?). And I accept that the EU might want to prioritise trade with, say, the USA, over the UK but nonetheless, the UK is about the world's sixth largest economy and the EU's businesses want to trade with the UK, and the EU's people want to travel to the UK, so both parties have both a need and a duty to get on with it.
What is almost certainly NOT reasonable, is for the UK to expect the EU to be divided within itself. So for the UK to say to the EU, for example, that French people don't need visas, but Latvian people do, would quite reasonably be unacceptable. So, yes, the EU would not want to 'undermine themselves, their trade and the integrity of the single market', and rightly so. BUT there are exceptional situations, such as Ireland and Gibraltar (and the overseas territories of France, Spain and the Netherlands, and the long eastern land borders of the EU, and Switzerland), where special rules get made. And if the EU actually cared about peace in Ireland, they would be actively working on a good solution for the NI-EU land border, rather than making it a political bargaining-chip.
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fooking ell, where do you guys get all this information from, my head spins just reading it
allandwf
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fooking ell, where do you guys get all this information from, my head spins just reading it
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lifes2short
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just googled it, 254 pages, far too many for me and no pictures, might try this one, quite handy for illegals after brexit
