Brexit Deal

[lifes2short]

if truth be told the only reason leavers just scraped through is because some parts of the country/people didn't fully understand the full implications of leaving the eu and were simply focussed on immigration, illegal aliens, regaining our borders, having jobs taken away by immigrants who want to work here bla blah bla, it's not quite that simple folks you're just building castles in the air and day dreaming if you think leaving the eu is the answer to your problems, just my opinion

 

[GeoffCapes]

Can I just throw something else into the mix (and not meant to be contentious)

"What would Maggie have done?"

Love her or hate her, she was the last politician to do what was best for the country and not for personal gain. A tough negotiator too.

She would have stayed in the EU and negotiated things in the best interests of Britain. Anything that the EU came up with that she didn't like she would just say "No".
And they would have to start again.
Unlike the likes of Tony Blair, Gordon 'sell our gold' Brown who bent over backwards for the EU all purely for personal gain and to increase their profile.

 

[Wattie]

Can I just throw something else into the mix (and not meant to be contentious)

"What would Maggie have done?"

Love her or hate her, she was the last politician to do what was best for the country and not for personal gain. A tough negotiator too.

Disagree.
She’d have gone “no deal” as she’d have realised negotiation was futile from day 1. She didn’t negotiate over the Falklands did she......she wouldn’t negotiate over Gibraltar and she certainly wouldn’t hand over control for a Santa wish list in the face of such ominous legal advice.

As for comments about politicians lying re Brexit, politicians lie all the ******* time so that’s hardly a reason for a re-vote.......Jesus they’re lying about the legal implications now to cover up how bad the deal is.

 

[conaero]

It truly is a sorry mess!

 

[lifes2short]

She would have stayed in the EU and negotiated things in the best interests of Britain. Anything that the EU came up with that she didn't like she would just say "No".
And they would have to start again.
Unlike the likes of Tony Blair, Gordon 'sell our gold' Brown who bent over backwards for the EU all purely for personal gain and to increase their profile.

I'm sure some may disagree but i loved the "iron lady" if we only had someone like her again

 

[Vampyrebat]

I'm sure some may disagree but i loved the "iron lady" if we only had someone like her again

Ironically, she had bigger balls than any other male PM of recent times!!

 

[FIFTY]

As for comments about politicians lying re Brexit, politicians lie all the ******* time so that’s hardly a reason for a re-vote.......Jesus they’re lying about the legal implications now to cover up how bad the deal is.

It's not that the politicians lied but rather the campaign for leave and remain were both made up of total fabricated propaganda that did nothing to educate lay people on what the EU does how it is good and how it is bad... But rather they generated biggoted hysteria

We had two campaigns that were run similarly to what one would see in a despotic African country... The lies and personality cults of each camp that could potentially rip the "United" Kingdom appart

 

[lifes2short]

Ironically, she had bigger balls than any other male PM of recent times!!

big steel cohones

 

[Oneball]

The thing I don’t get is all the people banging on about having to leave, having to have a deal, having to have a hard brexit because it’s democracy. Democracy is the will of the people. If the people now want to change their mind and stay then that should also be an option.

 

[zagatoes30]

Whatever our views it does seem we all agree it a fecking mess.

 

[Felonious Crud]

"The Iron Lady" was a term invented by Russia (I forget which leader) to try and discredit and weaken Maggie. She loved it.

Anyway, I'd save a bullet for every ********-filled ****** which lied and manipulated the country to voting - either way - for something which simply wasn't true. Come the glorious day, etc!

And now we end up in a situation where Jezza may land in No. 10, which is the day I shall be starting to engineer a move to Singapore.

I'd bet my pension that Russia had a heavy hand in influencing pre-referendum public opinion. Putin must keep himself awake at night laughing at what a glorious mess Europe is in now. A weakened Europe will make it so much easier for him to execute on his ambitions to recreate the Soviet Union from those upstart states which now consider themselves to be part of Europe.

 

[GeoffCapes]

I'd bet my pension that Russia had a heavy hand in influencing pre-referendum public opinion. Putin must keep himself awake at night laughing at what a glorious mess Europe is in now. A weakened Europe will make it so much easier for him to execute on his ambitions to recreate the Soviet Union from those upstate states which now consider themselves to be part of Europe.

Right on the money!

 

[lifes2short]

Right on the money!

ditto

 

[2b1ask1]

I could see the European model was dangerous 25 years ago or more and have been for OUT at least all of that time. I do not accept I was I’ll informed or hoodwinked into voting leave. I would welcome another vote without all the campaigning lies, I’d say the out vote would be even bigger which is why it is not being offered. The BBC continue their very biased coverage, the debate on Channel 4 last month was laughable!

I don’t trust May to deliver a workable solution as a remainer, we should never settle for a halfway house with no end date. I suspect her plan all along has been to ride it out with a compromise until she can call an early election and run away like the rest of the spineless idiots.

Maggie? She was tough and the right person for her moment but there is nobody to equal her at the moment I’d want up there. My real fear is the return of the Blairites!

 

[TimR]

I could see the European model was dangerous 25 years ago or more and have been for OUT at least all of that time. I do not accept I was I’ll informed or hoodwinked into voting leave. I would welcome another vote without all the campaigning lies, I’d say the out vote would be even bigger which is why it is not being offered. The BBC continue their very biased coverage, the debate on Channel 4 last month was laughable!!

Sorry but that makes no sense to me at all...

For Gods Sake, lets have another vote and at least take the temperature of the patient so that we might all least pull in one direction as a nation.
As others have noted..We agree it’s a cluster fook of fecking clusters, can’t we agree to st least accept a clearer out come?..?

 

[conaero]

Sorry but that makes no sense to me at all...

For Gods Sake, lets have another vote and at least take the temperature of the patient so that we might all least pull in one direction as a nation.
As others have noted..We agree it’s a cluster fook of fecking clusters, can’t we agree to st least accept a clearer out come?..?

And when the remain wins, when can we have another, and another......Its not democracy. You make you bed, you lie in it.

But I do agree its a mucking fuddle!

 

[TimR]

Maybe..
We’ll end up there anyway as it will get punted back & forth until transition expires. At which point, UK will be everything Rees-Mog says it is...A vassal state that no one trade with. Over seen by European Law..Pointless, expensive and a dead end
What we have currently is further division and multiple camps. No longer just in/ out. Now we have No Brexit, Soft Brexit & crash out...?
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The only fault I see in your observation Matt is it seemingly resigns to the very shoddy campaigns that led us to making an unnervingly uninformed decision....That and an unintuitive denial of the UKs real interests...

Personally I favor crashing out by now. Sick to death of it. The politicians should be hung drawn & quartered. But I don’t have kids, or a mortgage... To the anarchist in me, burn it down sounds fine..?

 

[Wanderer]

Sorry but that makes no sense to me at all...

For Gods Sake, lets have another vote and at least take the temperature of the patient so that we might all least pull in one direction as a nation.
As others have noted..We agree it’s a cluster fook of fecking clusters, can’t we agree to st least accept a clearer out come?..?

Let’s not even have another vote. It was just a referendum, non-binding.

Options considered, it’s unworkable, and ban referendums....

 

[daverichardson]

Yes it is a mess
My view is the referendum was won fair and square based on all sorts of things like prejudices and lies and genuine wishes. If the government does not deliver then they are doomed and damned by the electorate for a long time and no party wants that. So leave asap with or without a deal and then real serious negotiations on trade etc can begin earnestly.
Any new referendum is fraught with danger. If the remainers win the leavers will be in uproar. If the leavers win it opens up the Scottish / Irish debate.
We voted to leave. Respect it.
Noticeably all the media coverage is tilted in favour of the remain camp and the leave camp is blanked out or is that just me?

 

[GeoffCapes]

Yes it is a mess
My view is the referendum was won fair and square based on all sorts of things like prejudices and lies and genuine wishes. If the government does not deliver then they are doomed and damned by the electorate for a long time and no party wants that. So leave asap with or without a deal and then real serious negotiations on trade etc can begin earnestly.
Any new referendum is fraught with danger. If the remainers win the leavers will be in uproar. If the leavers win it opens up the Scottish / Irish debate.
We voted to leave. Respect it.
Noticeably all the media coverage is tilted in favour of the remain camp and the leave camp is blanked out or is that just me?

The media were all for leaving before the referendum. And I guess now towards the remain, or should I say, not towards Teresa Mays deal.