Are you worried yet.

[Silvercat]

I remember as a kid my mum buying me shoes that said 'Empire Made' on them and they were generally regarded as cr@p......

I had Clarks...**** designs but lasted forever!

 

[Scaf]

Was just looking at stuff from our unions and I was shocked. We’ve all been talking about deaths of NHS staff. But TfL have had 14 staff die and that’s just London. I’ve not seen figures from the rest of the transport network. But I find that a bit scary.

I was thinking about that number (14) and although that’s terrible it needs to be compared as a % their employees who have died v % of general population to be meaningful.
It’s inevitable that if the general population is dying so are NHS staff and TFL staff etc - every death is one too many though.

 

[lifes2short]

I believe we import 80% of what we consume in the UK, the majority of which comes from China either directly or indirectly via the EU. So big dependency....but it's not impossible to change sources of supply away from China if there is a will to do it. The West has got far far too reliant on China for pretty much everything now and its high time this economic policy changed.

agreed I think we should import more from antenna

 

[iainw]

Was just looking at stuff from our unions and I was shocked. We’ve all been talking about deaths of NHS staff. But TfL have had 14 staff die and that’s just London. I’ve not seen figures from the rest of the transport network. But I find that a bit scary.

Shameful lack of protection for frontline staff of all types. Politicians / senior management have blood on their hands. I have been saying it for weeks.

 

[Koz]

We have got to shift out collective mindsets in the UK from being a throw away society to stuff that lasts a good few years and is great quality. I've still got a wool overcoat which I bought from Next in 1985 ( the good old days when they used to make top end clothes) for my daily commute to London. It was a god send , great quality and doesnt look a day older from the day I originally bought it. The quality was first class and even the wool was from Scotland ...not Chinese **** like it is today. So time the UK changed and became more independent.

Was it Hepworth’s my dad used to wear their suits and overcoats back in the day.

 

[Delmonte]

We have got to shift out collective mindsets in the UK from being a throw away society to stuff that lasts a good few years and is great quality. I've still got a wool overcoat which I bought from Next in 1985 ( the good old days when they used to make top end clothes) for my daily commute to London. It was a god send , great quality and doesnt look a day older from the day I originally bought it. The quality was first class and even the wool was from Scotland ...not Chinese **** like it is today. So time the UK changed and became more independent.

Totally, although I would say the whole world needs to think like that.
My faith in it happening though is roughly zero. Consumerism is the God of the world, it demands stuff is constantly bought and replaced

 

[Delmonte]

Was it Hepworth’s my dad used to wear their suits and overcoats back in the day.

Hepworths became Next I believe

 

[Oneball]

Shameful lack of protection for frontline staff of all types. Politicians / senior management have blood on their hands. I have been saying it for weeks.

The thing I found scary was that you’re directly in contact with ill people all day but we’re just interacting with the general population, much like going to the supermarket. I guess it shows how easily it spreads if you’re not shut up at home.

 

[FIFTY]

I agree, but I would send it anyway to make a political statement.

For sure. The USA has already started legal action. Would be interesting to see how it could play out, it is inevitable that China's money will help rebuild the global economy it just depends if they spend it willingly or have their assets seized

 

[Rwc13]

Why is it that so many people seem to focus on and want to wallow in or even celebrate bad news? And then also react to it with such panic and hysteria. Where does this inclination towards such negativity come from? Have we been conditioned this way over the long term by the media?

I’ve lived in the Algarve for about a year now and it is generally true that Portuguese people are much more relaxed about stuff. But this has been even more evident in their reaction to the Coronavirus. Of course they are very concerned about it, but they don’t overreact. There has been almost no panic buying at the supermarkets (apart from the Expats). There has been a calm acceptance of the lock down and social distancing rules. There is also a general sense that things will return to normal in a few months. It is notable too that the media reporting is less hysterical and much more balanced here.

And why shouldn’t they return to something like normal life here in a few months if people are not too negative and don’t overreact too much. Many businesses here are still working quite normally whilst applying the social distancing and lockdown rules. And for those that have been forced to shut or reduce their activity, eg many shops, restaurants and cafes (although many restaurants and cafes are still doing good take away business) there are similar job and salary protection schemes as in the UK. There are mortgage suspensions in place. So adjustments have been made but in a more calm, sensible, pragmatic way so that for many life and work still goes on.

And let’s not forget, this economic slowdown we are in now was brought on by Coronavirus, not by a normal economic downturn. So if the lockdown ends after, say three months, why shouldn’t there be something like an economic “reset” to the economic position that existed before Coronavirus. If most businesses keep their employees (using Government support) and people feel confident to start “consuming” again because they have jobs and salaries, then why should this be much more than a three month economic blip?

With the support available from Governments and if banks and other credit lenders are sensible and supportive, and business and people don’t overreact, this surely needn’t be the economic disaster that’s being predicted by many. I know this is a dramatic oversimplification of things, but I do feel the world is at risk of talking itself into a worse economic crisis than there needs to be.

Ok, I’m in my bunker now with my hard hat on ready for the bombs to be launched.

 

[lozcb]

Союз Советских Социалистических Республик

I forgive myself , but thanks , lol

 

[mjheathcote]

Update from my friend an sole trading Barnsley undertaker.
He's nearly at max capacity with 11 customers, Barnsley Mortory at capacity and the army are building a temporary storage facility.
Crematorium also looking to be operational 24/7 to cope.

A lot from nursing homes and care homes that are not necessarily being reported in the figures.

 

[iainw]

The thing I found scary was that you’re directly in contact with ill people all day but we’re just interacting with the general population, much like going to the supermarket. I guess it shows how easily it spreads if you’re not shut up at home.

So many positive patients without symptoms. That’s the problem. Estimates are 30%+ of the population have it. Everyone should wear a mask in my opinion if they are out and about

 

[lozcb]

Why is it that so many people seem to focus on and want to wallow in or even celebrate bad news? And then also react to it with such panic and hysteria. Where does this inclination towards such negativity come from? Have we been conditioned this way over the long term by the media?

I’ve lived in the Algarve for about a year now and it is generally true that Portuguese people are much more relaxed about stuff. But this has been even more evident in their reaction to the Coronavirus. Of course they are very concerned about it, but they don’t overreact. There has been almost no panic buying at the supermarkets (apart from the Expats). There has been a calm acceptance of the lock down and social distancing rules. There is also a general sense that things will return to normal in a few months. It is notable too that the media reporting is less hysterical and much more balanced here.

And why shouldn’t they return to something like normal life here in a few months if people are not too negative and don’t overreact too much. Many businesses here are still working quite normally whilst applying the social distancing and lockdown rules. And for those that have been forced to shut or reduce their activity, eg many shops, restaurants and cafes (although many restaurants and cafes are still doing good take away business) there are similar job and salary protection schemes as in the UK. There are mortgage suspensions in place. So adjustments have been made but in a more calm, sensible, pragmatic way so that for many life and work still goes on.

And let’s not forget, this economic slowdown we are in now was brought on by Coronavirus, not by a normal economic downturn. So if the lockdown ends after, say three months, why shouldn’t there be something like an economic “reset” to the economic position that existed before Coronavirus. If most businesses keep their employees (using Government support) and people feel confident to start “consuming” again because they have jobs and salaries, then why should this be much more than a three month economic blip?

With the support available from Governments and if banks and other credit lenders are sensible and supportive, and business and people don’t overreact, this surely needn’t be the economic disaster that’s being predicted by many. I know this is a dramatic oversimplification of things, but I do feel the world is at risk of talking itself into a worse economic crisis than there needs to be.

Ok, I’m in my bunker now with my hard hat on ready for the bombs to be launched.

No bombs from here mate, sounds an idyllic picture you paint but it's probably easier to do all these things when as a country Portugal is a net receiver from the EU as I understand it , so what ever consessions are made is using money from the nett contributors , and obviously Portugese government is expecting it to business as usual once this is over ......eh think again you be lucky to have an EU in 5 years , so enjoy it now whilst you can , you can always up sticks and come home if it gets too rough a ride

 

[iainw]

Update from my friend an sole trading Barnsley undertaker.
He's nearly at max capacity with 11 customers, Barnsley Mortory at capacity and the army are building a temporary storage facility.
Crematorium also looking to be operational 24/7 to cope.

A lot from nursing homes and care homes that are not necessarily being reported in the figures.

The figures published are utterly false. Hospital figures are roughly accurate - but in the community - Huge numbers are simply not reported as testing isn’t done in most instances. The emails received from work had my wife in tears yesterday. Bear in mind she has worked in various acute specialties and I have never seen her like this. Can’t share the details - but to suggest carrying on as normal is bordering on insanity unless you literally have no compassion.

 

[iainw]

Why is it that so many people seem to focus on and want to wallow in or even celebrate bad news? And then also react to it with such panic and hysteria. Where does this inclination towards such negativity come from? Have we been conditioned this way over the long term by the media?

I’ve lived in the Algarve for about a year now and it is generally true that Portuguese people are much more relaxed about stuff. But this has been even more evident in their reaction to the Coronavirus. Of course they are very concerned about it, but they don’t overreact. There has been almost no panic buying at the supermarkets (apart from the Expats). There has been a calm acceptance of the lock down and social distancing rules. There is also a general sense that things will return to normal in a few months. It is notable too that the media reporting is less hysterical and much more balanced here.

And why shouldn’t they return to something like normal life here in a few months if people are not too negative and don’t overreact too much. Many businesses here are still working quite normally whilst applying the social distancing and lockdown rules. And for those that have been forced to shut or reduce their activity, eg many shops, restaurants and cafes (although many restaurants and cafes are still doing good take away business) there are similar job and salary protection schemes as in the UK. There are mortgage suspensions in place. So adjustments have been made but in a more calm, sensible, pragmatic way so that for many life and work still goes on.

And let’s not forget, this economic slowdown we are in now was brought on by Coronavirus, not by a normal economic downturn. So if the lockdown ends after, say three months, why shouldn’t there be something like an economic “reset” to the economic position that existed before Coronavirus. If most businesses keep their employees (using Government support) and people feel confident to start “consuming” again because they have jobs and salaries, then why should this be much more than a three month economic blip?

With the support available from Governments and if banks and other credit lenders are sensible and supportive, and business and people don’t overreact, this surely needn’t be the economic disaster that’s being predicted by many. I know this is a dramatic oversimplification of things, but I do feel the world is at risk of talking itself into a worse economic crisis than there needs to be.

Ok, I’m in my bunker now with my hard hat on ready for the bombs to be launched.

I suggest you get out and about then and socialise with other expats and pop over to Spain for a visit. That would be the logical thing to do based on your statements wouldn’t it? Or do you expect to stay in isolation on your isolated small holding and let others carry on as normal? Serious question and not being aggressive or insulting in any way.

 

[Contigo]

This sounds promising.

Coronavirus: The blood of survivors from Covid-19 may hold the

CORONAVIRUS can have dire consequences for some people who fall victim to the disease. There's currently no vaccine and so, sadly, people do lose their lives. But a "cure" may be possible.

www.express.co.uk

 

[iainw]

This sounds promising.

Coronavirus: The blood of survivors from Covid-19 may hold the

CORONAVIRUS can have dire consequences for some people who fall victim to the disease. There's currently no vaccine and so, sadly, people do lose their lives. But a "cure" may be possible.

www.express.co.uk

Definitely is

 

[iainw]

Update from my friend an sole trading Barnsley undertaker.
He's nearly at max capacity with 11 customers, Barnsley Mortory at capacity and the army are building a temporary storage facility.
Crematorium also looking to be operational 24/7 to cope.

A lot from nursing homes and care homes that are not necessarily being reported in the figures.

The other 10 residents who died have not been tested for coronavirus, a PHE spokeswoman said.

A PHE statement said: "In occasions where some cases have already been tested positive in a care home, we do not advise testing of new cases as it will not change the public health management."

so...figures are almost pointless with so many variables

 

[zagatoes30]

Then Laura K started and I switched off.

And me she does my head