Are you worried yet.

[lozcb]

And me she does my head

They really need to start doing a Trump , and just ignore them look at someone else and say next question please

 

[zagatoes30]

So despite warning all the Dubliners have come to their holiday homes for Easter, beaches packed, all the shops stripped of food the Garda had to come along and move them all on. Garda are now forcing them to remain, plans for roadblocks on the N11 and anyone trying to get back to Dublin at the end of the weekend will be turned back and told to stay put.

Fortunately for us we did are essential shop yesterday, will use need to top up bread and milk over the weekend.

 

[rockits]

And why shouldn’t they return to something like normal life here in a few months if people are not too negative and don’t overreact too much. Many businesses here are still working quite normally whilst applying the social distancing and lockdown rules. And for those that have been forced to shut or reduce their activity, eg many shops, restaurants and cafes (although many restaurants and cafes are still doing good take away business) there are similar job and salary protection schemes as in the UK. There are mortgage suspensions in place. So adjustments have been made but in a more calm, sensible, pragmatic way so that for many life and work still goes on.

And let’s not forget, this economic slowdown we are in now was brought on by Coronavirus, not by a normal economic downturn. So if the lockdown ends after, say three months, why shouldn’t there be something like an economic “reset” to the economic position that existed before Coronavirus. If most businesses keep their employees (using Government support) and people feel confident to start “consuming” again because they have jobs and salaries, then why should this be much more than a three month economic blip?

With the support available from Governments and if banks and other credit lenders are sensible and supportive, and business and people don’t overreact, this surely needn’t be the economic disaster that’s being predicted by many. I know this is a dramatic oversimplification of things, but I do feel the world is at risk of talking itself into a worse economic crisis than there needs to be.

Ok, I’m in my bunker now with my hard hat on ready for the bombs to be launched.

Incoming

I agree the panic buying and other issues haven't helped.....but make no mistake this is a serious issue.

We won't return to normal life in few months in the UK or what it was before this started that is for sure. The pain will be felt for 2-3 years and longer. The economic damage is immense and much of it hidden or deferred for a bit. We haven't seen the damage this has caused economically yet.

The govt schemes as always are great in principle but often lack in depth, detail, delivery and most importantly speed. The delays are critical.....it will be too late for some and has already been too late for others.

If you say we will be back to normal in months the majority of the govt support wouldn't have actually even made it to where it needs to go by then!

Exclusive: Just 2,000 UK firms given coronavirus business loans

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[Rwc13]

I suggest you get out and about then and socialise with other expats and pop over to Spain for a visit. That would be the logical thing to do based on your statements wouldn’t it? Or do you expect to stay in isolation on your isolated small holding and let others carry on as normal? Serious question and not being aggressive or insulting in any way.

Why would I do that? That would be against the social distancing rules here for those who do not work - I’m retired due to ill health. We go food shopping when we need to as is allowed and we look after the shopping needs of our 80+ year old Portuguese neighbours at the same time. Whilst obeying the rules I work in my garden and orchard to fill the time. Perhaps you could explain what you find so objectionable about that in my circumstances?

And I suggest you stop making assumptions about me because you’ve got nothing right so far. I also suggest you use your elite education to re-read my post which was about how people here are mostly adapting their approach to work and life WITHIN the social distancing rules but without all the panic and hysteria. In the Algarve that approach seems also to be working reasonably well in terms of Coronavirus numbers.

 

[iainw]

Why would I do that? That would be against the social distancing rules here for those who do not work - I’m retired due to ill health. We go food shopping when we need to as is allowed and we look after the shopping needs of our 80+ year old Portuguese neighbours at the same time. Whilst obeying the rules I work in my garden and orchard to fill the time. Perhaps you could explain what you find so objectionable about that in my circumstances?

And I suggest you stop making assumptions about me because you’ve got nothing right so far. I also suggest you use your elite education to re-read my post which was about how people here are mostly adapting their approach to work and life WITHIN the social distancing rules but without all the panic and hysteria. In the Algarve that approach seems also to be working reasonably well in terms of Coronavirus numbers.

I haven’t seen any panic or hysteria on this forum or in any of my daily life so far. Isolated pockets of strange people panic buying on the news but that’s it. I don’t find obeying the current unqiue rules objectionable at all. What I find objectionable is people trying to downplay things all the time. It makes no sense to me whilst social isolating. Either there is a significant problem affecting the planet currently or not.

 

[allandwf]

I did a shop on the way home last Wednesday. I have not been out since, I have got a few deliveries in, thank you to all involved in that, and got on with a few jobs. I may venture out tomorrow for some bread and milk, then will lock myself away again. I'm actually finding all ok, me and the dog, and a list of tasks Oh and a few bottles of Red

 

[rockits]

I went out today to collect some required urgent hardware for a customer for the 2nd time in 4 weeks. Need to go to a customer site tomorrow now to get a home worker machine back online again so they can work. Other than that I have perfectly adhered to all I have been asked to do. I have not opened Boris' letter yet as it has been in quarantine on the mat below the letter box for 2 days so far!

Just having a tea break and looking at the figures as I hadn't done this before. Not sure if we have already so forgive my replication. Standard UK mortality in circa 550k per year or circa 1500 per day. Yesterday the number of CV confirmed deaths was 786 and today it is 938 so far with 1000 expected to be hit any day.

When you compare this to the standard UK daily death rates of 1500 these numbers are starting to get really big and very significant. We always knew it was a big issue but now it is really starting to hit home.

This is of course recorded cases. There will be lots more not accounted for in those figures. The difficulty is that the stats just don't always tell the whole story. So the challenge is understanding how many CV deaths would have been in the standard mortality rate figures. Hard to say but regardless we are taking big significant numbers here.

Some interesting reports were coming out about Italy. Suggesting that 99% of those who died from CV had other illness. That is not to say they would have died anyway of course but it may go some way to understand why the numbers in Italy have been so high. Maybe this is a modern life trend.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

 

[rockits]

That Bloomberg article was from 18th March though btw.

 

[allandwf]

I have not opened Boris' letter yet as it has been in quarantine on the mat below the letter box for 2 days so far!

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

Mine came today, it shall sit for 72hrs!

 

[MarkMas]

....A lot from nursing homes and care homes that are not necessarily being reported in the figures.

As the CMO carefully and calmly explained last night, hospital deaths and total deaths are measured in different ways, and so while it is true that nursing home and care home deaths that may (or may not) be COVID-related are not being reported in the daily death tolls, they will be counted by the ONS in the end.

 

[Rwc13]

I haven’t seen any panic or hysteria on this forum or in any of my daily life so far. Isolated pockets of strange people panic buying on the news but that’s it. I don’t find obeying the current unqiue rules objectionable at all. What I find objectionable is people trying to downplay things all the time. It makes no sense to me whilst social isolating. Either there is a significant problem affecting the planet currently or not.

You must leave a very sheltered life!

 

[Phil the Brit]

Shameful lack of protection for frontline staff of all types. Politicians / senior management have blood on their hands. I have been saying it for weeks.

They have a lot of balls to juggle. Also can't some businesses take responsiblilty for their own staff. Transport for London is only technically owned by the government

 

[iainw]

They have a lot of balls to juggle. Also can't some businesses take responsiblilty for their own staff. Transport for London is only technically owned by the government

That’s why I included senior management. The government can’t be blamed for all ills. Protection for individuals is the key ball though.

 

[iainw]

You must leave a very sheltered life!

Not as sheltered as you! (Disclaimer - I am envious of your warm weather hideaway that you have worked all your life to enjoy and are entitled to). I am lucky as I do live by the sea in a lovey location in a relatively isolated property. I haven’t seen much panic - but I worry more and more with the range of information presented. So much is at odds of what I am experiencing and reading about.

 

[Phil the Brit]

I thought the three people doing the presentation tonight did a really good job.
..........Then Laura and co came on and to be honest let themselves down with their questions. Again, MEDIA, you really need to up you game or...........don't waste our time with labouring banal questions.

 

[Oneball]

Mine came today, it shall sit for 72hrs!

I had one on Monday and another one today. So that’s £106m then.

The Ms is a bit OCD at the best of times but now everything is dangerous, I walk around in the mornings holding the post like Baldrick’s sponge.

 

[MarkMas]

Why would I do that? That would be against the social distancing rules here for those who do not work - I’m retired due to ill health. We go food shopping when we need to as is allowed and we look after the shopping needs of our 80+ year old Portuguese neighbours at the same time. Whilst obeying the rules I work in my garden and orchard to fill the time. Perhaps you could explain what you find so objectionable about that in my circumstances?

And I suggest you stop making assumptions about me because you’ve got nothing right so far. I also suggest you use your elite education to re-read my post which was about how people here are mostly adapting their approach to work and life WITHIN the social distancing rules but without all the panic and hysteria. In the Algarve that approach seems also to be working reasonably well in terms of Coronavirus numbers.

George Orwell (the canary-in-the-coalmine for fascism in my book) made it very clear in his 1946 essay, The Prevention of Literature, that people are required to censor themselves when faced with "the dangerous proposition ... that intellectual honesty is a form of antisocial selfishness". We have to just accept that we are required to fall into line, or be attacked. It is no longer acceptable to even suggest that the sky is not falling, and anyone doing so will inevitably be accused of antisocial selfishness, hatred of nurses, and a desire to kill our neighbours, by the guardians of righteousness.

I'm sorry @Rwc13 you are on your own from now on. As far as I am concerned, there is simply no point trying to discuss things in a balanced way here, as the scaremongering, irrationality and fascism in some parts of this thread has passed some sort of threshold for me. I might see you all back here in June/July when the crisis is mostly over, or in December/January when UK death rates will be merely 2-5% higher than normal.

 

[Phil the Brit]

Some great advice given to me several weeks ago was............treat EVERY item you touch like it was the ENEMY and you will be fine. Don't go out unless absolutely essential and carry cleansing wipes with you al all times.
Wise words if you are not an essential worker.

 

[Scaf]

I went out today to collect some required urgent hardware for a customer for the 2nd time in 4 weeks. Need to go to a customer site tomorrow now to get a home worker machine back online again so they can work. Other than that I have perfectly adhered to all I have been asked to do. I have not opened Boris' letter yet as it has been in quarantine on the mat below the letter box for 2 days so far!

Just having a tea break and looking at the figures as I hadn't done this before. Not sure if we have already so forgive my replication. Standard UK mortality in circa 550k per year or circa 1500 per day. Yesterday the number of CV confirmed deaths was 786 and today it is 938 so far with 1000 expected to be hit any day.

When you compare this to the standard UK daily death rates of 1500 these numbers are starting to get really big and very significant. We always knew it was a big issue but now it is really starting to hit home.

This is of course recorded cases. There will be lots more not accounted for in those figures. The difficulty is that the stats just don't always tell the whole story. So the challenge is understanding how many CV deaths would have been in the standard mortality rate figures. Hard to say but regardless we are taking big significant numbers here.

Some interesting reports were coming out about Italy. Suggesting that 99% of those who died from CV had other illness. That is not to say they would have died anyway of course but it may go some way to understand why the numbers in Italy have been so high. Maybe this is a modern life trend.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

What the reported Covid 19 deaths do not reflect is how many of those people would have died anyway.
It will be a a month or two before we will really be able to see what happens to total death rate during March April

 

[MarkMas]

.....I'm sorry @Rwc13 you are on your own from now on. ....

To be totally clear, I did not mean to imply that @Rwc13 is the only sensible person on this thread. There are plenty of others who have asked reasonable questions, shared balanced information, and honestly argued for one point of view or another. I'm not going to name names, to congratulate you, or you might find the Staatssicherheitsdienst at your door in the middle of the night!