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With all the lockdown wind down announcements and coverage, have you heard anyone make reference to the continued need to wear face coverings and social distance.
 
So the DHSC have recommended that NHS staff should get a 1% pay rise.

The government has spent billions during the pandemic and there will come a day of reckoning, albeit due to historically low interest rates and how cheap it is to borrow that may not be as soon as you might expect.

Do you support the government on this?

Or do you question a policy which I would have thought many tax paying people would consider quite abhorrent given the sarcifice of the past year?
 
dgmx5 said:
So the DHSC have recommended that NHS staff should get a 1% pay rise.

The government has spent billions during the pandemic and there will come a day of reckoning, albeit due to historically low interest rates and how cheap it is to borrow that may not be as soon as you might expect.

Do you support the government on this?

Or do you question a policy which I would have thought many tax paying people would consider quite abhorrent given the sarcifice of the past year?
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A nurse on another forum I'm on posted about this

The gist was

Throughout the pandemic they've had full employment , nobody on furlough , as much overtime as they wanted , guaranteed wages , no danger of the pot being empty , they can sell their holidays if they want , full pay if off sick and some nurses with a lot of overtime are pushing on the door of 50k
If the daily mail catches wind of nurses on 50k the headlines would soon change.

My opinion is anyone working for the NHS is in a position unlikely to be matched by any other employer anytime soon , I'd just take what's offered and keep quiet

Like the army , if you join there's a chance you might get shot at , the NHS is now in that position , they've got a job for life but this is a tough couple of years.

Everybody appreciates what they do but it's a massive organisation, where's the money coming from .
 
It's really interesting as for some people full employment throughout and as Wack states as much overtime as you can manage.
For me working as a sub contractor around Europe a combination of Brexit and Covid-19 means I have done nothing for 14 months.
3 months of support from the French Government and living on my own money since.
I'm not complaining as I have evaluated many things in life.
 
Wack61 said:
A nurse on another forum I'm on posted about this

The gist was

Throughout the pandemic they've had full employment , nobody on furlough , as much overtime as they wanted , guaranteed wages , no danger of the pot being empty , they can sell their holidays if they want , full pay if off sick and some nurses with a lot of overtime are pushing on the door of 50k
If the daily mail catches wind of nurses on 50k the headlines would soon change.

My opinion is anyone working for the NHS is in a position unlikely to be matched by any other employer anytime soon , I'd just take what's offered and keep quiet

Like the army , if you join there's a chance you might get shot at , the NHS is now in that position , they've got a job for life but this is a tough couple of years.

Everybody appreciates what they do but it's a massive organisation, where's the money coming from .
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That's actually a very interesting perspective, and not one I'd considered. I was pretty discussed when I heard about the 1 % for the NHS, as I really do appreciate what they do and have always thought they were underpaid for what they do (as are most hard workers.)

But as you said, job security has been massively important the last year and will be for the next couple, so that's got to be weighed up too.

Although, I probably earn more than most of the lower positions in the NHS, I had to have 10 months off work on a heavily reduced salary and risked redundancy twice in that time. No furlough, no grants or gov help etc....
Don't get me wrong, I am NOT saying I'm hard done by, not at all, but many have been this last year.
The point wacky made above, is thought provoking.

Although I actually feel bad saying it now...... So I'm actually back to thinking the nurses should get more :laugh:
 
Wack61 said:
A nurse on another forum I'm on posted about this

The gist was

Throughout the pandemic they've had full employment , nobody on furlough , as much overtime as they wanted , guaranteed wages , no danger of the pot being empty , they can sell their holidays if they want , full pay if off sick and some nurses with a lot of overtime are pushing on the door of 50k
If the daily mail catches wind of nurses on 50k the headlines would soon change.

My opinion is anyone working for the NHS is in a position unlikely to be matched by any other employer anytime soon , I'd just take what's offered and keep quiet

Like the army , if you join there's a chance you might get shot at , the NHS is now in that position , they've got a job for life but this is a tough couple of years.

Everybody appreciates what they do but it's a massive organisation, where's the money coming from .
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You do need to put this into context.
No Goverment staff have been furlong
Plenty of people have had quite an easy year sat at home, decorating, enjoying the sun, doing the gardens etc, whilst saving money being at home... oh yes they are the same ones complaining that they have to look after their own kids..... quite a few in my part of Gov!
Some gov staff were paid an uplift of up to £1500 per month as a bonus in the first six months of the pandemic as they were quick to get to the treasury with a business case
Health and social care staff were exposed to far greater risks than any of us as well as working in inadequate PPE
They only get paid sick for the first 6 months on their basic wage, then down to 50% for the last 6 month.
Selling your leave - they are not able to carry leave over, and if they had taken all their leave the NHS would have suffered further
You should be paid overtime if you work it ffs - if a nurse did earn 50k, they will have worked the hours and their hourly rate is still low for what they have done.
They all work shifts, nights, weekends etc, which is extremely demanding when you are doing normal hours.
On and we are talking a couple of pounds a day here not hundreds as a pay rise.

The front line staff should be given a one off payment if no pay rise can be funded for ever

Oh and if you think its a great, well paid job and you long for the same level of job security... join the NHS , there are plenty of vacancies!
 
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I know that my first wife in her early fifties and has only ever worked for the NHS and is a highly skilled nurse has suffered with her mental health working crazy hours at Southmead hospital in Bristol so my daughter tells me.
They can only do it for so long that's for sure.
 
They only get paid sick for the first 6 months on their basic wage, then down to 50% for the last 6 month.

Only... Most in the private sector just get SSP from day one!
This was made perfectly clear by my employer at the start of the pandemic, if you are sick or have to isolate, it's SSP £95.85 a week. After 6 months nothing! It's also understandable, they could not afford to pay full salaries if many are off work not earning income for the company.

You will always have gov vs private.
The problem is it is always looked as gov vs the very best private.
The reality is with the vast majority of private they pay the absolute minimum of everything, holidays, token pension etc.
Also many haven't had any pay rises or inflation rises for over 10 years.
 
I’ve a simple solution.
Every individual in the NHs should resign immediately.
Register with a recruitment co specializing in healthcare.
 
mjheathcote said:
Only... Most in the private sector just get SSP from day one!
This was made perfectly clear by my employer at the start of the pandemic, if you are sick or have to isolate, it's SSP £95.85 a week. After 6 months nothing!
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That’s the truth. Last company I worked at, one fella was off for a few days for an op (but still handling emails and calls, just from home; this was pre-covid). HR wanted to put him on sick-pay after one day. Wankers. After a brief discussion they reconsidered, but it gave a good insight into who’s interests came first.
 
Felonious Crud said:
That’s the truth. Last company I worked at, one fella was off for a few days for an op (but still handling emails and calls, just from home; this was pre-covid). HR wanted to put him on sick-pay after one day. Wankers. After a brief discussion they reconsidered, but it gave a good insight into who’s interests came first.
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In most cases, the employer. Left my previous employer after 16 years loyal hard work service following similar.
 
As I said... plenty of jobs for nurses if you think the wages and conditions are better there... and given they are exposed to the germ laden every day to provide care they deserve the sick benefits... rather than racing to the bottom of what people think is a worse site should be working together to improve the lott of all.

And no nursing staff I know have a Maserati or a fleet of cars to choose from
 
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