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67,000,000 people in the UK

I'd like it explaining to me how 367 people dying in a day out of the thousands supposedly testing positive warrants bankrupting the country, if it's that low a number most must recover.


For a percentage of those dead CV19 won't be the reason they died, they just had it when they died, I found out today a woman at work had it , tested positive , her only symptom was a complete loss of taste , not even a cold, but if she'd had a heart attack within 28 days she'd be on the list.

At what point do we say there's nothing more we can do , when all the small businesses are bankrupt never to return

people will kill themselves over this , postmasters killed themselves over the horizon scandal so don't think financial ruin won't be enough to tip a lot of people over the edge.

It's a ******* mess
 
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Wack61 said:
67,000,000 people in the UK

I'd like it explaining to me how 367 people dying in a day out of the thousands supposedly testing positive warrants bankrupting the country, if it's that low a number most must recover.


For a percentage of those dead CV19 won't be the reason they died, they just had it when they died, I found out today a woman at work had it , tested positive , her only symptom was a complete loss of taste , not even a cold, but if she'd had a heart attack within 28 days she'd be on the list.

At what point do we say there's nothing more we can do , when all the small businesses are bankrupt never to return

people will kill themselves over this , postmasters killed themselves over the horizon scandal so don't think financial ruin won't be enough to tip a lot of people over the edge.

It's a *** mess
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There is no way I can disagree with what you have just said, you are correct. But surely if people had just acted that little bit more responsibly, then the levels would not have risen to the extent they have done, and subsequently given the powers that be the justification to introduce these additional measures, then the small businesses would Possibly still be open today, not in lockdown. We can all do our bit by acting responsibly and thinking about the potential consequences whether it is with regard to others or business.
 
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It's not going to happen unless it gets enforced and people start getting fined , in March the government and media terrified people ,7 months on most people don't know anyone that has died , I don't even know anyone who's been really ill.

Mind you I'd be pretty ****** off if my car got nicked and I got a crime number but coppers were on the doorstep because a mate was talking to me in the garden
 
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Here again for us in France we can't do anything without an attestation so if we get checked we have the correct paperwork ie for food shopping or medical appointment.
 
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Must watch documentary on BBC2 about the covid, tonight 9.00pm..
2 brothers from the Wuhan research centre, where Trump suspects it was engineered, were due to get on Flight MH370 that miraculously disappeared.

Seems they were the guys behind the development of the new strain, and intending to use it as a weapon, someone caught wind of their plans and purposefully downed the plane. Neither of them got on the flight though. It’s really interesting.

Have a look at it, it's called Two Wongs Don't Make a Flight.
 
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Wack61 said:
67,000,000 people in the UK

I'd like it explaining to me how 367 people dying in a day out of the thousands supposedly testing positive warrants bankrupting the country, if it's that low a number most must recover.


For a percentage of those dead CV19 won't be the reason they died, they just had it when they died, I found out today a woman at work had it , tested positive , her only symptom was a complete loss of taste , not even a cold, but if she'd had a heart attack within 28 days she'd be on the list.

At what point do we say there's nothing more we can do , when all the small businesses are bankrupt never to return

people will kill themselves over this , postmasters killed themselves over the horizon scandal so don't think financial ruin won't be enough to tip a lot of people over the edge.

It's a *** mess
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When we’re on the 7th wave of this I wonder if the strategy will still be the same?
 
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I heard today from Dr John Campbell that there is clear evidence now that the increase in the daily rate of infections across England (and UK) is beginning to slow. A month ago, daily infection rates were doubling every 7-10 days or so, but they are nothing like this now. He reckons in 3-4 weeks time daily infection rates will have slowed down massively which will feed through to lower numbers being admitted to hospital and ICU in December/ January. The growing numbers of hospital admissions now is based upon people having caught the virus 4-6 weeks ago. So with any luck this will also start to reduce or at least plateau out in about 3 weeks time, in line with a slowing of the infection rates. Let's hope he's right.
 
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I see no evidence of exponential growth on any of the stats. It may well be fair to say 'The rate has doubled over the last n days', but that's a very different thing.
I hope that he's correct.
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Well deciding how to work with this latest confinement and having Ms French back home after only just getting her out to work.
I think this time we will see a lot more small businesses not reopening.
We lost a Beautician in our village last time.
No real loss to me apart from the eye candy.
A real shame after somebody spent a lot of money setting it up.
 
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Wack61 said:
67,000,000 people in the UK

I'd like it explaining to me how 367 people dying in a day out of the thousands supposedly testing positive warrants bankrupting the country, if it's that low a number most must recover.


For a percentage of those dead CV19 won't be the reason they died, they just had it when they died, I found out today a woman at work had it , tested positive , her only symptom was a complete loss of taste , not even a cold, but if she'd had a heart attack within 28 days she'd be on the list.

At what point do we say there's nothing more we can do , when all the small businesses are bankrupt never to return

people will kill themselves over this , postmasters killed themselves over the horizon scandal so don't think financial ruin won't be enough to tip a lot of people over the edge.

It's a *** mess
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I understand the sentiment. However, if we did nothing the hospitals would soon be overrun, and the 1000 people a day dying in the summer would be wishful thinking.

I'm sure I read in the summer (I'll have to have a look for the article) that an 'expert' said that if we did nothing you could expect to see 15-20,000 a day dying if we let the virus get out of control.
 
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GeoffCapes said:
I understand the sentiment. However, if we did nothing the hospitals would soon be overrun, and the 1000 people a day dying in the summer would be wishful thinking.

I'm sure I read in the summer (I'll have to have a look for the article) that an 'expert' said that if we did nothing you could expect to see 15-20,000 a day dying if we let the virus get out of control.
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Take a look at India’s figures.
Massive population, lots of poverty, poor conditions.
Deaths....very small %.
 
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GeoffCapes said:
I understand the sentiment. However, if we did nothing the hospitals would soon be overrun, and the 1000 people a day dying in the summer would be wishful thinking.
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The challenge (and I'm not saying right or wrong) is that only focussing by deaths 'due' to COVID is ignoring all the other (potentially thousands) who are, or will die as a direct result.

The public appear to have decided that's the metric we're going to use (right or wrong) and so that's the one that they want to keep down.
Depending on how you slice the figures:
Overall deaths: below average.
ICU occupancy: About average for this time of year
Deaths due to flu / respiratory illness: Significantly below average.
Deaths in private homes: Above average
Deaths due to heart and circulatory issues in private homes: Significantly above average
Deaths due to heart and circulatory issues overall: Above average
Domestic violence: Significantly up
Other crimes (on the whole): Significantly down
Suicide: Above average (I understand)
Mental health issues: Significantly above average

Much of the data is presented without context or nuance and appears, therefore, to be informative but is in fact anything but. Take the n% of ICU beds are occupied. 90%?! Oh my lord that's terrible! Unless the expectation is that 95% (for example) of ICU beds would be expected to be occupied at this time of year anyway. Which would put a rather different perspective on it.

And so it goes on. There's a balance. It's being portrayed as COVID vs Economy in many places. It's way more complex and solely focussing on the simplistic numbers leads to un-optimal decisions. IMHO

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