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GeoffCapes

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CatmanV2 said:
The challenge (and I'm not saying right or wrong) is that only focussing by deaths 'due' to COVID is ignoring all the other (potentially thousands) who are, or will die as a direct result.

The public appear to have decided that's the metric we're going to use (right or wrong) and so that's the one that they want to keep down.
Depending on how you slice the figures:
Overall deaths: below average.
ICU occupancy: About average for this time of year
Deaths due to flu / respiratory illness: Significantly below average.
Deaths in private homes: Above average
Deaths due to heart and circulatory issues in private homes: Significantly above average
Deaths due to heart and circulatory issues overall: Above average
Domestic violence: Significantly up
Other crimes (on the whole): Significantly down
Suicide: Above average (I understand)
Mental health issues: Significantly above average

Much of the data is presented without context or nuance and appears, therefore, to be informative but is in fact anything but. Take the n% of ICU beds are occupied. 90%?! Oh my lord that's terrible! Unless the expectation is that 95% (for example) of ICU beds would be expected to be occupied at this time of year anyway. Which would put a rather different perspective on it.

And so it goes on. There's a balance. It's being portrayed as COVID vs Economy in many places. It's way more complex and solely focussing on the simplistic numbers leads to un-optimal decisions. IMHO

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People (it would appear) are only focussing on the deaths. The fact that for 1000 deaths, it takes 2-3000 out of the employment chain through being in hospital. Another 10,000 off work through illness, and then 20,000 with little symptoms self isolating.
So that's approximately 33,000 people out of the country not working.

Then add the long term effects (long Covid) which I know from first hand, took me 3-4 months to feel 'normal'.
My job is hardly taxing (stressful maybe) but if I had a manual job I'd never have been able to do it.

Understandably people are looking at the financial aspect of Covid, and the economy, but in my opinion, not doing what the Government are doing (lockdowns etc) I feel that the economic effect would be far far worst than it is now.

All in my humble opinion of course.
 
CatmanV2

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GeoffCapes said:
People (it would appear) are only focussing on the deaths. The fact that for 1000 deaths, it takes 2-3000 out of the employment chain through being in hospital. Another 10,000 off work through illness, and then 20,000 with little symptoms self isolating.
So that's approximately 33,000 people out of the country not working.
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Really? Those figures are new on me. Any source?

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CatmanV2

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GeoffCapes said:
Very little testing and medical treatment of the poor, hence the low death rate.
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Source? Genuinely curious as I've not seen this said anywhere. (And don't forget, increased testing = higher case numbers = lower death rate. Unless we're not counting deaths which seems unlikely)

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Wattie

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GeoffCapes said:
Very little testing and medical treatment of the poor, hence the low death rate.
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Possibly, A9FAA08E-AE6F-4169-9C2C-7F2F320797D0.jpeg but of the testing done, the deaths are small.
A little like the rest of the world.
Below 3%.

By the way, I don’t think the public, certainly in Oz, chose to focus on the deaths. The Govt did and the facts are most are old fogies, or those with health issues. (Like me)

Are they revealing the ages / pre-existing condition % in the Uk?
 
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Oneball said:
If you discount fat people too then were only a hundred or so deaths above the norm, and most of them are around St Mary Mead.
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An interesting place in that it has an abnormally high death rate which seems to increase whenever Miss Marple is around. I reckon 'it was her what done it' and then framed the innocent; well, her and her little fat Belgian co-conspirator.

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philw696

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Well here in France children over 6 have to wear masks so we will see what happens over the next few weeks.
 
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Phil H said:
An interesting place in that it has an abnormally high death rate which seems to increase whenever Miss Marple is around. I reckon 'it was her what done it' and then framed the innocent; well, her and her little fat Belgian co-conspirator.

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Actually I wonder what the COVID death rate is Midsomer?
 
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Delmonte said:
Wow been away a while, wtf happened here in this thread.....
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Bit of handbags at dawn, couple of toys thrown from the pram, currently discussing the relative death rates around the country.

Oxford seems to be particularly hard hit but I wouldn’t be going to Sandford either especially if you’re crusty or a juggler, they seem particularly susceptible.
 
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Make your own mind up. Potentially raises some serious questions on who is right. Incidentally its Imperial College who are advising the UKG on Covid.
 
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CatmanV2

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Thanks for sharing that. Sadly very few (if any of us) are actually qualified to make our own minds up without resorting to gut feel.

My gut (just looking at the graphs) was that the Imperial Study (My alma mater) was way over stated. There's nothing that I can see (as a non-statistician) to indicate that rates are doubling over a fixed period at all. The Zoe data (to which I contribute) seems more to reflect the current situation to me.

But that's my opinion

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