Are you worried yet.

[D Walker]

Currently due to Covid-19 most metal health support in the community is being withdrawn and patients are lucky to get telephone consultations at the moment. The community metal heath nurses are being moved to front line roles, needs must I guess, but there will be consequences for sure.

I guess it depends where you are. Swmbo works on a community mental health team and they are staying as is for now as the work has gone through the roof. Did say they may deploy elsewhere. But as yet not. Too busy.

 

[Scaf]

I guess it depends where you are. Swmbo works on a community mental health team and they are staying as is for now as the work has gone through the roof. Did say they may deploy elsewhere. But as yet not. Too busy.

West Herts Trust are certainly moving the community team to the front line, but as you say it may vary depending on where you are.

 

[D Walker]

West Herts Trust are certainly moving the community team to the front line, but as you say it may vary depending on where you are.

Apparently there has been discussions, but it’s like robbing Peter to pay Paul..move them into other roles and don’t support vulnerable people in other areas...it’s obviously unprecedented times for the nhs, and hard to make the right critical decisions with a constantly moving enemy....

 

[Wattie]

I thought Professor Van-Tam was excellent as always, straight talker and honest with his messaging. I agree lock down will not be over anytime soon. My money is on June at the earliest using a phased approach based upon age/ demographics.

There’s absolutely no way lock down can be lifted until a 100% accurate test is developed I would have thought. Surely an understanding of the resistance/immunity situation is required too so the full impact of lifting such is known?

 

[Wattie]

I’m on 10mg. I’m fooked. But then you can go to 50mg.

Silly question, what’s it taken for?

I read somewhere that viagra was being given as treatment in the Us! I guess one positive is that if it doesn’t work you at least go out with a bang.

 

[D Walker]

Silly question, what’s it taken for?

I read somewhere that viagra was being given as treatment in the Us! I guess one positive is that if it doesn’t work you at least go out with a bang.

Blood pressure, which incidentally I never had in 22 years as a squaddie..shot at, mortared, and bombed... no dramas....got a job on a chemical plant, 1st medical......

 

[Wattie]

Blood pressure, which incidentally I never had in 22 years as a squaddie..shot at, mortared, and bombed... no dramas....got a job on a chemical plant, 1st medical......

Well that medical was a stroke of good fortune then as its very much a silent killer. Good to be taking something that keeps it all in check!

Interesting read
Why a coronavirus vaccine could take way longer than a year
Considering the history and science behind making these drugs, “a year to 18 months would be absolutely unprecedented,” one expert warns.

Read in National Geographic: https://apple.news/AUDvsmLxXSD6qVPrGE2xz5w

 

[MrMickS]

There’s absolutely no way lock down can be lifted until a 100% accurate test is developed I would have thought. Surely an understanding of the resistance/immunity situation is required too so the full impact of lifting such is known?

This assumes that the purpose of lockdown is to protect the population.

I’m not sure it is. In fact, if you look back carefully over the various briefing reports, they don’t hide this. The lockdown is to ease the pressure on the NHS to a level at which cases can be dealt with.

Given the instruction to Passport Office staff to return to work, with a statement in that that most people will catch it, I’m concerned that we are looking at managed herd immunity rather than squashing the outbreak.

 

[Phil the Brit]

This assumes that the purpose of lockdown is to protect the population.

I’m not sure it is. In fact, if you look back carefully over the various briefing reports, they don’t hide this. The lockdown is to ease the pressure on the NHS to a level at which cases can be dealt with.

Given the instruction to Passport Office staff to return to work, with a statement in that that most people will catch it, I’m concerned that we are looking at managed herd immunity rather than squashing the outbreak.

Isn't the effect the same, population safe and NHS case levels.

 

[iainw]

Isn't the effect the same, population safe and NHS case levels.

There is no hiding from the fact that today's announcement of 980 new UK deaths has surpassed Italy and Spain's worst days during this pandemic. This is not counting the care home and ‘at home’ deaths which will be significant. Some of the letters local heath authorities are sending out to vunerable patients is shocking.
Italy's highest death toll was 969; Spain's 950. This is mental this early. More to come. Interesting
How Italy was described as ‘a Tsunami with no time to plan’... and they seem so well resourced from what we see on TV PPE wise, and news from the front line compared to our own. Now our figures are being calmly displayed as though we are fine. And our PPE and our beds are **** compared to Italy- 9.2 ITU beds per 100,000 vs 6.1. Don’t even Mention Germany’s 20+. Italy have a more hierarchical system led by clinical professors and not management ... Britain/ the NHS is in for an awakening I think. It would be interesting to see the same footage out of the NHS hospitals that the media was so keen to display from Italy. Has anyone seen any?

 

[Scaf]

Apparently there has been discussions, but it’s like robbing Peter to pay Paul..move them into other roles and don’t support vulnerable people in other areas...it’s obviously unprecedented times for the nhs, and hard to make the right critical decisions with a constantly moving enemy....

I completely agree it just robbing Peter to pay Paul and could be hugely damaging but my daughter should have moved on Monday but because of symptoms couldn't, now being tested and if that clear she is out of the community and into a ward.

 

[iainw]

I completely agree it just robbing Peter to pay Paul and could be hugely damaging but my daughter should have moved on Monday but because of symptoms couldn't, now being tested and if that clear she is out of the community and into a ward.

The community is a real front line- underestimated in my view. Ironically I think ITu is the most protected / safe place to be. Some of the things the front line community are dealing with will deserve a medal when this is done. Real heroes- the nurses and Paramedics having to deal with people, their emotions, family and expectations with limited protection and support. I hope your daughter stays safe and thinks of her own health as well as that of others.

 

[MrMickS]

Isn't the effect the same, population safe and NHS case levels.

No.


We have no treatment for COVID-19. All we are doing is providing aid for breathing and letting the disease take its course. It will reduce morbidity levels if we can provide this for everyone.

Until we can test for the disease quickly, contact trace, and isolate we aren’t squashing the disease. We are just controlling the rate at which it goes through the population. This will result in many more deaths.

We are pushing for herd immunity which, until we have an antibody test that works, is unproven. There are some worrying Chinese reports, taken with a huge pinch of salt, that some patients aren’t building up sufficient antibodies to prevent re-infection. If this is found to be true then, depending on the incidence of this, herd immunity is a long way off.

 

[Wattie]

There is no hiding from the fact that today's announcement of 980 new UK deaths has surpassed Italy and Spain's worst days during this pandemic. This is not counting the care home and ‘at home’ deaths which will be significant. Some of the letters local heath authorities are sending out to vunerable patients is shocking.
Italy's highest death toll was 969; Spain's 950. This is mental this early. More to come. Interesting
How Italy was described as ‘a Tsunami with no time to plan’... and they seem so well resourced from what we see on TV PPE wise, and news from the front line compared to our own. Now our figures are being calmly displayed as though we are fine. And our PPE and our beds are **** compared to Italy- 9.2 ITU beds per 100,000 vs 6.1. Don’t even Mention Germany’s 20+. Italy have a more hierarchical system led by clinical professors and not management ... Britain/ the NHS is in for an awakening I think. It would be interesting to see the same footage out of the NHS hospitals that the media was so keen to display from Italy. Has anyone seen any?

Nope.

 

[Silvercat]

Silly question, what’s it taken for?

I read somewhere that viagra was being given as treatment in the Us! I guess one positive is that if it doesn’t work you at least go out with a bang.

It's for high blood pressure.

 

[Wattie]

No.


We have no treatment for COVID-19. All we are doing is providing aid for breathing and letting the disease take its course. It will reduce morbidity levels if we can provide this for everyone.

Until we can test for the disease quickly, contact trace, and isolate we aren’t squashing the disease. We are just controlling the rate at which it goes through the population. This will result in many more deaths.

We are pushing for herd immunity which, until we have an antibody test that works, is unproven. There are some worrying Chinese reports, taken with a huge pinch of salt, that some patients aren’t building up sufficient antibodies to prevent re-infection. If this is found to be true then, depending on the incidence of this, herd immunity is a long way off.

It seems fundamental that without accurate testing, the struggle is uphill. Unfortunately that seems to be the case and is surely a priority at this point (along with PPE for those that require it)
Future planning will rely on it.

I’m beginning to doubt the antibody side of things. Lots of stuff everywhere about reinfections of those previously cured.....lots of stuff from Korean experience.....again this questions the accuracy of testing so it’s a mutual problem.

Another thing that’s clear is that those that suffer from it in a bad way face a long, drawn out health issue.
Coronavirus infection may cause lasting damage throughout the body, doctors fear
Some patients who have recovered from coronavirus infection are suffering lasting damage, including liver damage, heart damage and blood clotting problems.

Read in Los Angeles Times: https://apple.news/AIXELvE58SEmrndTm2k5DBQ

It’s a helluva situation.

 

[Silvercat]

There’s absolutely no way lock down can be lifted until a 100% accurate test is developed I would have thought. Surely an understanding of the resistance/immunity situation is required too so the full impact of lifting such is known?

I can understand your point but UKG is facing a situation where they are damned if they do and damed if they dont. At some point there will be a decision taken to get the economy restarted again against the backdrop of hopefully significantly reducing infection and mortality rates . But for this to ride on indefinitely waiting for a vaccine which might not be available until next year is I suspect also not an option.

 

[Scaf]

The community is a real front line- underestimated in my view. Ironically I think ITu is the most protected / safe place to be. Some of the things the front line community are dealing with will deserve a medal when this is done. Real heroes- the nurses and Paramedics having to deal with people, their emotions, family and expectations with limited protection and support. I hope your daughter stays safe and thinks of her own health as well as that of others.

Thanks for the good wishes, we have had a long talk about how she can protect herself including wearing the correct PPE which I can provide to a limited degree if she can't get it at work and is allowed to wear her own.
I understand the point you make about ITU, they know what they are dealing with and have the protection they need, for everyone else it's a little like Russian Roulette.
Even outside the NHS there are frontline hero's who get no mention in the media but are at for uppermost in my mind.
It's all gone a bit quiet in the media about the availability of ventilators, I assume some of the supply from the new manufacturers is starting to land.
God Bless everyone doing their bit.

 

[Delmonte]

There is no hiding from the fact that today's announcement of 980 new UK deaths has surpassed Italy and Spain's worst days during this pandemic. This is not counting the care home and ‘at home’ deaths which will be significant. Some of the letters local heath authorities are sending out to vunerable patients is shocking.
Italy's highest death toll was 969; Spain's 950. This is mental this early. More to come. Interesting
How Italy was described as ‘a Tsunami with no time to plan’... and they seem so well resourced from what we see on TV PPE wise, and news from the front line compared to our own. Now our figures are being calmly displayed as though we are fine. And our PPE and our beds are **** compared to Italy- 9.2 ITU beds per 100,000 vs 6.1. Don’t even Mention Germany’s 20+. Italy have a more hierarchical system led by clinical professors and not management ... Britain/ the NHS is in for an awakening I think. It would be interesting to see the same footage out of the NHS hospitals that the media was so keen to display from Italy. Has anyone seen any?

You're right about hospital footage. None whatsoever. I don't normally go in for conspiracy theories but there must be some sort of cover up agreement there

 

[Scaf]

Interesting read
Why a coronavirus vaccine could take way longer than a year
Considering the history and science behind making these drugs, “a year to 18 months would be absolutely unprecedented,” one expert warns.

Read in National Geographic: https://apple.news/AUDvsmLxXSD6qVPrGE2xz5w

Which begs the question as to whether herd immunity was the way to go after all