Are you worried yet.

[empzb]

Guys, sorry to ask but I know this was mentioned earlier in the thread. Does anyone have a spare 50 or so n95 masks I can purchase? My mother in law is a nurse at a care home and has a few residents showing symptoms but not being tested. They are being stingy with the masks and with mil being early 60s with a scarred lung, I want her to feel as safe as possible doing what she does. Feel free to DM if anyone does have any spare, I'll be contacting care home management too, but don't want to go all guns blazing in case she losing her job for 'whistleblowing'.

 

[iainw]

Death rate of intensive care coronavirus patients hits 51% as UK fatalities see record increase of 980
The death rate of patients admitted to intensive care with coronavirus now stands at more than 51 per cent, according to a study of critical care outcomes.

Read in Evening Standard: https://apple.news/AhD0PJ2w7TVa-AWFb2iLKSw

This is interesting. My personal experience is that it’s way bigger than that (for Covid) - but we don’t know the true numbers as people are staying on them for soooo long. It will be really interesting to see the long term figures and scientific lessons learned.

Guys, sorry to ask but I know this was mentioned earlier in the thread. Does anyone have a spare 50 or so n95 masks I can purchase? My mother in law is a nurse at a care home and has a few residents showing symptoms but not being tested. They are being stingy with the masks and with mil being early 60s with a scarred lung, I want her to feel as safe as possible doing what she does. Feel free to DM if anyone does have any spare, I'll be contacting care home management too, but don't want to go all guns blazing in case she losing her job for 'whistleblowing'.

this is Terrible. I have a contact who can get access to a lot at a remarkable price - but the lead time is 3-4 weeks and big orders. I really feel for you this is a really awful situation and she is in a vunerable position. She must wear masks. Where are you based? I have a lot of contacts in Wales who could get something to you but England may be harder- let me know if you don’t source something soon and I will see what I can do

 

[safrane]

Sadly not. I have just 45 left for 700 staff.

 

[empzb]

This is interesting. My personal experience is that it’s way bigger than that (for Covid) - but we don’t know the true numbers as people are staying on them for soooo long. It will be really interesting to see the long term figures and scientific lessons learned.

this is Terrible. I have a contact who can get access to a lot at a remarkable price - but the lead time is 3-4 weeks and big orders. I really feel for you this is a really awful situation and she is in a vunerable position. She must wear masks. Where are you based? I have a lot of contacts in Wales who could get something to you but England may be harder- let me know if you don’t source something soon and I will see what I can do

Thanks Iain. Can't manage the big orders but I've just seen a few on amazon, so might be able to get some there. Huge prices but money well spent. I'm in Bristol, happy to travel (I know it's against advice but family first and is essential in my eyes). Shes in work tomorrow and then off until Thursday so hopefully will get some time out. Just ridiculous situation to be in. Father in law is in his 70s and also would be high risk so we're all rather concerned by the situation.

 

[empzb]

Sadly not. I have just 45 left for 700 staff.

Sorry to hear that. Complete shambles. Hope the team stay as safe as they can.

 

[Phil the Brit]

No, not yes.

Whilst during lockdown R0 is curtailed it depends on the aim. If the aim is to stop the disease then lockdown needs to continue until there are no new cases and we have sufficient testing.

Given the instructions to the Passport Office staff I fear that lockdown will be eased when the rate becomes manageable. The idea being to infect the population to aim to build up herd immunity. This leads to more cases, and deaths, that squashing the disease.

We disagree then, except the part about lockdown, keep that going until most of my example people have finished with virus.
If person "A" has it, gets over it and doesn't meet person "B" during isolation, that is the end of virus...............period.
Now multiply that by millions and if all the "A"s don't meet all the "B"s it is game over to Mr virus.
Then get antibody test kits that work, apparently USA have them and let all the immune herd out to go to work.

 

[Wattie]

This is interesting. My personal experience is that it’s way bigger than that (for Covid) - but we don’t know the true numbers as people are staying on them for soooo long. It will be really interesting to see the long term figures and scientific lessons learned.

Far canal.
This is beginning to play out like the stuff I read weeks ago.

 

[Phil the Brit]

Guys, sorry to ask but I know this was mentioned earlier in the thread. Does anyone have a spare 50 or so n95 masks I can purchase? My mother in law is a nurse at a care home and has a few residents showing symptoms but not being tested. They are being stingy with the masks and with mil being early 60s with a scarred lung, I want her to feel as safe as possible doing what she does. Feel free to DM if anyone does have any spare, I'll be contacting care home management too, but don't want to go all guns blazing in case she losing her job for 'whistleblowing'.

The lack of forward planning by some of these care homes is extrordinary. Who does their thinking for them. We all knew this thing was coming in January.
Unbelievable.
And now, these private care homes want the government to give PPE to them.
I assume nurse friend works in a private home not government one. if government one then my comments are not so applicable.

 

[empzb]

The lack of forward planning by some of these care homes is extrordinary. Who does their thinking for them. We all knew this thing was coming in January.
Unbelievable.
And now, these private care homes want the government to give them to them.
I assume nurse friend works in a private home not government one. if government one then my comments are not so applicable.

Yup, private care home. I'll give them some credit as they stopped family visits some time ago so it's on staff if it makes it's way in, but that's little consolation when people have lives outside with their own chances of infection. The in laws are very good (the father in law and son are reclusive anyway), however some staff there I have my doubts about.

 

[Silvercat]

They need to be testing more. We need to know the spread of the disease in the community not just in hospitals.

They’ve kept promising to increase testing and missed every target that they’ve set.

We deserve to be told what the strategy is. What the criteria are for easing lockdown. What the plans are when they start to do it. This will help the economy much more than the mushroom management approach they are currently taking.

The worrying thing is that I suspect they don’t know.

I agree..we need Laura Kaussenberg to be pushing these questions..she's like a dog with a bone!

 

[Wattie]

Coronavirus: 19 NHS workers die with coronavirus - but health sec says PPE not to blame

Coronavirus: 'I'm sorry if people feel there have been failings' over PPE, says Home Secretary

Priti Patel has told the daily Downing Street news conference that the government is working to provide resources more widely.

news.sky.com

What a disgrace. “Over the top”,
We’re days into a several hundred day problem.

 

[Silvercat]

You're right about hospital footage. None whatsoever. I don't normally go in for conspiracy theories but there must be some sort of cover up agreement there

Did you not see the BBC News 3 days ago filming from a hospital ICU. Its was absolutely horrific and TBH pretty frightening footage. It made me think alot about what all front line staff are having to go through let alone the patients who are dying. Something like 50-60% of those on Ventilators dont make it through. Its truly shocking ....

 

[Silvercat]

They are realising that the ventilator situation was all BS from the start- as I have been saying for a while. Gave them something to focus on. As others have said- there is no treatment for this, and there was never enough trained staff to man them. Prevention is the only hope until vaccines are possible. Herd immunity isn’t a possible option unless people can handle the human fall out.

Did anyone see the headline in The Times newspaper today that a vaccine might be ready for September.? Sarah Gilbert- Proffessor of Vaccinology at University of Oxford said that she was 80% confident that the vaccine that her team were developing will work. With human trials starting in the next 2 weeks. Seemingly the UKG is so confident in the outcome that they are willing to fund the production of millions of vaccine doses ahead of the trials being concluded. So perhaps a little ray of optimism to get us out of this situation. Here's hoping!

 

[Silvercat]

Not nuts, no but we still live in a world that is interconnected, and will remain so through and after this so locking down the world is just not possible. I have sadly came to the conclusion that the lockdown here will have to end to avoid total collapse of the country and we are therefore going to have to live with this until a vaccine is found. The lockdown will end when the gov think the nhs can cope, not because they think they have beat the virus. That will mean deaths beyond the lockdown will be inevitable, but they knew that since as I said, the lockdown was not aimed at saving lives, it was about flattening the curve so the nhs did not collapse.

You are 100% bang on the money.

 

[iainw]

Thanks Iain. Can't manage the big orders but I've just seen a few on amazon, so might be able to get some there. Huge prices but money well spent. I'm in Bristol, happy to travel (I know it's against advice but family first and is essential in my eyes). Shes in work tomorrow and then off until Thursday so hopefully will get some time out. Just ridiculous situation to be in. Father in law is in his 70s and also would be high risk so we're all rather concerned by the situation.

Agree totally... I wouldn’t expect any money. Just trying to think of how the FP2/3 would be possible. I would get resuable plastic ones if you can and wash in alcohol every day to keep costs and need to replacements down. My colleague just took delivery of surgical masks Newport way and would have some to spare.

 

[iainw]

Did anyone see the headline in The Times newspaper today that a vaccine might be ready for September.? Sarah Gilbert- Proffessor of Vaccinology at University of Oxford said that she was 80% confident that the vaccine that her team were developing will work. With human trials starting in the next 2 weeks. Seemingly the UKG is so confident in the outcome that they are willing to fund the production of millions of vaccine doses ahead of the trials being concluded. So perhaps a little ray of optimism to get us out of this situation. Here's hoping!

I read this. Loads of stories like this from around the world. Of course am hopeful but they haven’t had much luck with other corona viruses. Many exceptional people around the world working on it so I have confidence if it’s possible they will crack it.

 

[dgmx5]

https://www.thearticle.com/media-questions-at-no10-briefings-are-woeful-here-are-20-they-should-ask

Bear in mind that some here appear to suggest that journalists should not have the temerity to question the government in the spirit of national unity, not that they should have gone far further and harder in scrutinising the government.

 

[Wack61]

That’s a lot of rain.

Lovely here today , at least the UK is going into a potential extended lockdown in the spring not the autumn like Australia

Being honest I've never shown much interest in australia so don't know what the winter climate is like , is it just cooler or does it rain a lot

How are you coping living in an apartment that high up, I know it's not a council flat in Camden but lifts,staircases, no personal outside space.

I'm assuming the pictures you've posted are from your balcony

 

[lozcb]

Yup, private care home. I'll give them some credit as they stopped family visits some time ago so it's on staff if it makes it's way in, but that's little consolation when people have lives outside with their own chances of infection. The in laws are very good (the father in law and son are reclusive anyway), however some staff there I have my doubts about.

If it was my missus, we would be having a really basic conversation about the distinct reality, and how much importance she places on her need to feel she,s doing her bit , it's not worth 3/4 months salary to be in that situation .

We really need to be treating this very similar to battlefield hospital situation( but managed) there will be high number casualties and all the time it's not personal that's fine ,people can stand back look at the bigger picture and manage the situation ,like IanW , but honesty is must , what's happened this far to prolong the virus to enable Jo public to accept the NHS is coping to an acceptable level has nearl been completed , then the stark reality needs to be rammed home ,by the army boots on the street instead of the police , the police unfortunately today get laughed at by certain sections of our society , we need the army on the streets and a few barrack type kickings ,and then it will soon stop and make people realise the seriousness ,

 

[foibles]

Being honest I've never shown much interest in australia

Oh.... Do wash your mouth out! And for 20 seconds if you will....

There are usually 2000 british backpackers at byron bay and noosa on any given day who'll attest to how nice parts of aus are in winter... And as wattie will tell you... Parts of queensland are routinely 26c / 79f....and quite dry (it rains more in the North during summer... Wheras southern cities like sydney and melbourne get most rain in winter and spring)

I believe it was 31c in brisbane today. Noooyyyce.