MarkMas
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UK normal base rate is about one thrombosis per 1000 people per year. Should probably be a bit higher in lock down due to limited exercise. So call it 10,000 cases per year.
Anyone had the jab yet?
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UK normal base rate is about one thrombosis per 1000 people per year. Should probably be a bit higher in lock down due to limited exercise. So call it 10,000 cases per year.
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MarkMas
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Thanks for looking that up. I've sort of given up the will to live
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That's one of the side effects (of engaging with humans).
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It's certainly getting interesting here on mainland Europe with daily infections for us, Italy and Poland certainly getting over 20,000 a day.
The Government said a couple of months ago restrictions wouldn't be lifted until we're below 5,000 daily.
We're still under daily curfew from 18.00 to 06.00 which feels like the norm now.
The Government said a couple of months ago restrictions wouldn't be lifted until we're below 5,000 daily.
We're still under daily curfew from 18.00 to 06.00 which feels like the norm now.
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That's probably a side effect as well.Thanks for looking that up. I've sort of given up the will to live
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Trev Latter
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Just got back from having mine done. No side effects so far, but as I'm sitting here typing this out on my Mac, I'm feeling the urge to go buy a Windows based PC. Is this normal?
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Are you wearing platform shoes again Trevor???
MarkMas
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To sum up:
Some people who have had the AZ vaccine have had blood clots. The Press and anti-vaxers have spun this up into 'the vaccine causes blood clots'. But blood clots are fairly common anyway, and all the competent authorities are saying that there is no evidence of an increased incidence of blood clots amongst people who have been vaccinated. But politicians, who would rather kill their citizens than be accused of 'doing nothing about public concerns' are now all jumping on the bandwagon, and 'pausing' the rollout, through 'an abundance of caution'. And by doing so, they will be causing many, many deaths by delaying vaccinations and prolonging the pandemic. And, despite the ridiculous comment by Dutch Health Minister Hugo de Jonge, saying "We can't allow any doubts about the vaccine," they are increasing vaccination doubts amongst the sceptical and gullible, which will also lead to thousands of additional deaths worldwide.
I had my jab on Saturday, but if some idiotic pandering politician had cancelled it, entirely against all medical advice, I would have been forking furious to have my life put at risk like that.
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...and, given the report that "About 17 million people in the EU and the UK have received a dose of the vaccine, with fewer than 40 cases of blood clots reported as of last week", even if blood clots were not relatively common anyway (see below), even if they were incredibly rare in the population in general, a rate of about one case per 1/2 million vaccinations would seem absolutely fine to me. FFS
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Gullible- well that’s insulting.
Vaccinations are Not compulsory thus far are they?
Why is it therefore wrong for those who don’t feel comfortable this far, to sit back and wait to see if they’re safe long term, and if they deal with mutations etc
Why do those who get vaccines feel they are at risk from those who don’t. You’re protected aren’t you?
You’re never going to achieve full vaccination.
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I'm sorry if anyone feels insulted by being called gullible, but yes, I think that is the correct word for someone who is reluctant to get a vaccine based on random news reports about 'possible concerns', that are directly contradicted by professional medical opinion and unambiguous statistical data.
I think you are right that vaccinations are not compulsory in most countries; that point seems particularly irrelevant in a discussion about governments preventing people from having the vaccinations that they want (and need).
It is wrong for people to 'sit back and wait' because (personally) they are taking an increased risk of getting the disease, and (societally) this increased risk potentially places increased demands on the health service, and increases the spread of the pandemic, harming the health of individuals and the general wellbeing. Let's not try to position this as 'individual liberty' or an 'abundance of caution' but plain old gullibility and selfishness.
I do personally feel somewhat protected by having had the vaccine, but I still am bothered on this because:
- people who want the vaccine, but are being denied, it will be at increased personal risk
- and they may be an increased risk to society as a whole if they get the disease
- people who will always refuse to take the vaccine are at increased risk themselves if population-levels of vaccination are lowered
You are right that we are never going to get full vaccination. Certainly not if governments pander to rumour-mongering. I'm not sure what point you are making here, unless it is along the lines of, "You are never going to catch all murderers, so why bother to catch any?".
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There was a couple of people died in a car accident within a few hours of getting the vaccine. I think they should stop vaccinations until after the links are thoroughly investigated. coincidence? Must be a link there somewhere.....
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This is an interesting paper on the virulence of the epidemic of anti-vax networks, where 50million active idiots are influencing a further 50million gullible undecideds in an attempt to kill us all.
www.nature.com
The online competition between pro- and anti-vaccination views - Nature
Insights into the interactions between pro- and anti-vaccination clusters on Facebook can enable policies and approaches that attempt to interrupt the shift to anti-vaccination views and persuade undecided individuals to adopt a pro-vaccination stance.
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It's a conspiracy!This is an interesting paper on the virulence of the epidemic of anti-vax networks, where 50million active idiots are influencing a further 50million gullible undecideds in an attempt to kill us all.
The online competition between pro- and anti-vaccination views - Nature
Insights into the interactions between pro- and anti-vaccination clusters on Facebook can enable policies and approaches that attempt to interrupt the shift to anti-vaccination views and persuade undecided individuals to adopt a pro-vaccination stance.
No, wait. The other thing is a conspiracy!
Oh ****, hang on. The third way is the conspiracy! The third wave is coming!
Ah, bollox and shite.
PS - that actually looks like a very interesting article, which I shall read properly later. Thanks for sharing.
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It’s not just random news reports- they are learning more about these vaccines now than they did during testing.
Prudent perhaps until they know who is or isn’t affected.
Oh it’s individual liberty alright and enough of that has already been taken away.
How many kids are there in the Uk below the age that “vaccines “ were never tested on?
24,000,000?
Are they being selfish by not taking it or should they all be vaccinated pronto?
In 12 months,This is an interesting paper on the virulence of the epidemic of anti-vax networks, where 50million active idiots are influencing a further 50million gullible undecideds in an attempt to kill us all.
The online competition between pro- and anti-vaccination views - Nature
Insights into the interactions between pro- and anti-vaccination clusters on Facebook can enable policies and approaches that attempt to interrupt the shift to anti-vaccination views and persuade undecided individuals to adopt a pro-vaccination stance.
3540 “non pre-existing conditions “ have died
Kids below age 19- 30 with pre-existing conditions total.....9 without.
Do ALL kids “need” this???
How are you going to test the long term affects on puberty etc.....or will we just take a guess and inject this barely affected group of individuals anyway?
You won’t need many side affects to outstrip the “deaths “totals.
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Clearly the car is dangerous and we should all be protected by banning their use.
This will Reduce the 1.35 million deaths around the world.....
“Each year, 1.35 million people are killed on roadways around the world. Every day, almost 3,700 people are killed globally in crashes involving cars, buses, motorcycles, bicycles, trucks, or pedestrians”
Not far behind the annual Covid figure........in fact «Between 20 and 50 million more people suffer non-fatal injuries, with many incurring a disability as a result of their injury!!!!
We could call this “long car crash”.
Far more are affected in younger age groups, 5-29, so it would save young lives too.
Road traffic injuries
WHO fact sheet on road traffic injuries providing key facts and information on who is at risk, drink driving, motor cycle helmets, seat belts and child restraints, and WHO response.
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Just received txt message from my family doctors, booked it within 30 seconds to get it tomorrow morning at the surgery.
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