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I have got away with that in enfield but not sure bout chelsea....when women ask me how much my cars worth i normally say 80k and never, never had a "i dont beleive you".....
I have to max the credit card for a night out on the kings road
That's one of the saddest things I've read on here Dem.
Why is it sad? I say it with a smile, not deliberatly lying but noone corrects me, thats the beauty of these cars....
Men are also the same, i told a friend of mine, whos into cars that if i sell mine "tomorrow" ill get 30k and he believed me....i just laugh
Men are also the same, i told a friend of mine, whos into cars that if i sell mine "tomorrow" ill get 30k and he believed me....i just laugh
Taliesyn
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One considers and is told that the cream of the countries brains are at University or have been , my question is if the attendees are the cream then their lecturers and teachers must be the creme de la creme of the brains of Britain , so why do most of the univerities have such massive debts , surely if they cant run their own establishments to keep their heads above water what chance does the rest of the country have
regards loz
Brains and common sense don't always go hand in hand lol
rossyl
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Potentially dangerous topic as there are usually many personal opinions that are somewhat entrenched and can rarely be changed, but here are my thoughts.
Governments have wanted to increase the number of pupils at university. The more skilled the work force the more large corporations will be attracted to offer jobs in the UK and also the more entrpreneurs and business folk to create wealth. BUT I know that there are thousands of school-leavers to milionaires stories. There are even more of those who do very very well and never went to university. However, there are also plenty of people who did go to university and have done extremely well. For example, those that create new medicines, those that save lives, those that engineer building structures, those that create new drilling techniques to discover/refine oil, advancement of computer chips, etc etc - some may not have been to university but I'm guessing a lot would have. These are extremely important roles that help the country advance.
There are definitely benefits to going to university dependant on what you study and how you use it. Likewise, it can also be a waste of time and money. It is entirely dependant on what that person does at university and what they do afterwards.
There is certainly not a rule that one is better than the other.
However, why the Universities are in trouble is a mixture of things. They need to provide cutting edge sports, computer, medical, engineering, science, etc facilities that costs money. These need to be updated year on year. They need to have excellent teachers, they cost money too. Unversity teachers can be the encyclopedias of certain subjects, their opinions can change the law, they may have invent new products, discovered advancements in science to cure illnesses etc. They don't come cheap and other universities will want them to work for them as well. On top all regular costs, the universities are then forced to accept a huge number of UK students as the government has forced a policy that they want more students at university. But where's the funding for the added pupils? The government and local authority payments are not enough. The top up fees aren't enough. And universities are limited on numbers of foreign students they can take on. Yet the universities still want to remain at the top of their field.
The solution I think is to change the government policy. Those that are studying pointless subjects are wasting their time, their money, the government's money, the local authority's money, and the university's money by attending.
If the government want to challenge China and other countries producing more engineers then they should push maths in school and then make engineering degrees cheaper, not just push people into random degrees at uni.
Anyway...I'll stop there!
Governments have wanted to increase the number of pupils at university. The more skilled the work force the more large corporations will be attracted to offer jobs in the UK and also the more entrpreneurs and business folk to create wealth. BUT I know that there are thousands of school-leavers to milionaires stories. There are even more of those who do very very well and never went to university. However, there are also plenty of people who did go to university and have done extremely well. For example, those that create new medicines, those that save lives, those that engineer building structures, those that create new drilling techniques to discover/refine oil, advancement of computer chips, etc etc - some may not have been to university but I'm guessing a lot would have. These are extremely important roles that help the country advance.
There are definitely benefits to going to university dependant on what you study and how you use it. Likewise, it can also be a waste of time and money. It is entirely dependant on what that person does at university and what they do afterwards.
There is certainly not a rule that one is better than the other.
However, why the Universities are in trouble is a mixture of things. They need to provide cutting edge sports, computer, medical, engineering, science, etc facilities that costs money. These need to be updated year on year. They need to have excellent teachers, they cost money too. Unversity teachers can be the encyclopedias of certain subjects, their opinions can change the law, they may have invent new products, discovered advancements in science to cure illnesses etc. They don't come cheap and other universities will want them to work for them as well. On top all regular costs, the universities are then forced to accept a huge number of UK students as the government has forced a policy that they want more students at university. But where's the funding for the added pupils? The government and local authority payments are not enough. The top up fees aren't enough. And universities are limited on numbers of foreign students they can take on. Yet the universities still want to remain at the top of their field.
The solution I think is to change the government policy. Those that are studying pointless subjects are wasting their time, their money, the government's money, the local authority's money, and the university's money by attending.
If the government want to challenge China and other countries producing more engineers then they should push maths in school and then make engineering degrees cheaper, not just push people into random degrees at uni.
Anyway...I'll stop there!
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Agreed, as an employer, the grad college leavers think they can walk straight into a job...WRONG, they have no experience. Employers want apprentices or people who can just get on with the job and they are not bothered about what pieces of paper that person has, as it has no relevance in the small and medium businesses.
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Prince Charles was right......"Not everyone can become a pilot"........................the dogmatic nonsense coming out of those who run the country of both parties is breathtakingly ****........................
We need a whole raft of skills, knowledge bases on many levels to fully meet the needs of all aspects of employment in the public/private sector
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We need a whole raft of skills, knowledge bases on many levels to fully meet the needs of all aspects of employment in the public/private sector
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Taliesyn
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I came up via the apprenticeship route, so fully agree, In years gone by that's what you did if you were a doer rather than a thinker. Modern apprenticeships with all the technology now require a thinker and a doer! And of course there's money to be made out there, have you hired a plumber or electrician recently?
I think rossyl's thread is one of the longest I've read in my short time of being a member of the forum and it doesn't mention a car or part there of, even once lol
I think rossyl's thread is one of the longest I've read in my short time of being a member of the forum and it doesn't mention a car or part there of, even once lol
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With regard to profitability, or lack there-of, a universities finances aren't governed by it's teaching faculty, just as a hospital's finances aren't governed by it's medical staff. If any board of directors is **** at it's job, their business will suffer, whether public or private, big or small and no matter how good the management and operation of the business is.
With regard to the comments on the banking industry, it now takes many graduates into it's management programs from 'mechanical' disciplines such as engineering - the reason being that the graduate is both a skilled thinker, but also a skilled doer. This is the route my son took after achieving his degree in aerospace engineering. He's now involved in reviewing and fixing the systemic weaknesses of the banking industry. Good old engineering disciplines. It's not rocket science, but it does increasingly require a rocket scientist.
With regard to the comments on the banking industry, it now takes many graduates into it's management programs from 'mechanical' disciplines such as engineering - the reason being that the graduate is both a skilled thinker, but also a skilled doer. This is the route my son took after achieving his degree in aerospace engineering. He's now involved in reviewing and fixing the systemic weaknesses of the banking industry. Good old engineering disciplines. It's not rocket science, but it does increasingly require a rocket scientist.
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Seems to me Miles your the very first to see what im driving at , and the reason i started this thread , if the lecturers/proffessors are the so called creme de la creme why have they allowed or not implemented safeguards / alternative planning to prevent the vast losses which are acruing in there very own universities , its all very well saying its not our dept or durisdiction but surely they would through the right channels seek to nurture and prolong their very own employment longevity , i find it so Bizzarre when there are a vast majority of business/management /accountancy degrees on offer that the very same lecturers cant prevent their own demise
Used to be an old saying .................to catch a thief employ the services of a thief now thats not rocket science either
Regards loz