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bigbob

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Well it depends upon your definition “of late”
If you invest in Gold you’re not trying to hit market highs......it’s because you wanna hold something that no-one else has when the shtf and all those that believe the central bank message that covid has been good for the economy, wake (woke) up.
Bank deposits pay what?
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Inflation?
Just watch this fake scenario unfold........
That is just like the sort of chart that an Equitable Life FA would have produced to show the benefits of long term investing. The trouble is if you get you timing slightly wrong you can make a lot less...or a lot more but with little ability to know which you will get.
 

Wattie

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That is just like the sort of chart that an Equitable Life FA would have produced to show the benefits of long term investing. The trouble is if you get you timing slightly wrong you can make a lot less...or a lot more but with little ability to know which you will get.
He would if he was making money out of it.
Im not making any money out of you guys.
 
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rockits

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Dean, you’ll get this.

Others not so much......
Makes me laugh.
Comical really and one of the biggest scams of the last century. I'd estimate real world inflation to be 15-20%+

If you aren't generating investment returns of 20%+ per year you are losing purchasing power.

Makes me laugh they can say with a straight face there is low inflation when you print 30% of all the world's dollars in existence in 12 months. That is 30% in effect right there!
 

Wattie

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Comical really and one of the biggest scams of the last century. I'd estimate real world inflation to be 15-20%+

If you aren't generating investment returns of 20%+ per year you are losing purchasing power.

Makes me laugh they can say with a straight face there is low inflation when you print 30% of all the world's dollars in existence in 12 months. That is 30% in effect right there!
One of the few who knows.
 

breezer

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Yes, and every altcoin…

Well worth reading this.

The article starts by defining speculation as opposed to investment:
  • Investment: The deployment of capital to perform an economic service for which a rational counterparty should be willing to pay.2
  • Speculation: The deployment of capital to achieve an expected gain based on an investor’s prediction of how future prices will differ from the market’s expectations.

The premise of the article really is that speculative bubbles/frenzies occur because there's colossal growth in demand for speculative investments, e.g. when the US parachutes cash to a bunch of bored degenerates who've played too many computer games. This is also the premise behind the old JP Morgan story about "selling when the shoe shine boy is giving stock tips."

The article further suggests that speculative bubbles burst when the supply of whatever is the subject of the bubble (in this case equities, crypto - though the latter is not mentioned by name) catches up with the demand. And supply always catches up with demand because that's capitalism. We're probably better at it today than ever - again, for evidence I'd point to the sheer number of shitcoins being created on a daily basis.
 

Ewan

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Bad few days for Bitcoin. But the value has still quadrupled (approx) over the last 12 months, which isn't shabby.
Not one for me though. Far too risky, and I don't properly understand it.
 

rockits

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I don't get most cryptos and don't think many will be around for the duration. I do think a 2nd generation of cryptos and DeFi/Blockchain technologies will end up being the future and transform many areas of finance in the future though. What they are through who knows?!

The DXY is an it's **** again and the VIX clearly spiked today. With immense volatility it gives the opportunity to make a lot and lose a lot very quickly! I've done both
 

stindig

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I understand why not everyone gets crypto, and hopefully a lot of the junk-coins will wither and die. But some like Cardano will be an integral and ubiquitous part of our future - proper, real-world value for the worlds poor and unbanked, and the fortune 500. Currency will, obviously, be digital going forwards. There won't be one winner - witness VISA. MasterCard, Amex etc, but I'm fairly certain future payment methods will be based on blockchain.
 

Froddy

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Balls o'steel, Stindig! I really felt for people today - so many must have lost so much if they weren't appropriately position-sized, or had no exit strategy (until they decided to get out at the bottom).

Love how BTC bounced absolutely perfectly at the volume by price aVWAP - chart p*rn!
 

stindig

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Balls o'steel, Stindig! I really felt for people today - so many must have lost so much if they weren't appropriately position-sized, or had no exit strategy (until they decided to get out at the bottom).

Love how BTC bounced absolutely perfectly at the volume by price aVWAP - chart p*rn!
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Froddy

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I think we’ll push higher once more and then Q3 will be ugly - I don’t think the chart structure is quite ready yet but, frankly, anything could happen and your guess is as good as mine. These markets are so fast, and so crazy.

I think we can expect that everything will be sold. We need to be “locked and loaded” for a huge opportunity to buy again - it really could be mega if the broadening formation parameters are respected.

Or the Fed may just keep printing.

Stonks only go up!