Brexit Deal

Needamaser · Mar 20, 2019

I am enjoying the scantily clad women and thoughts on cheese.

midlifecrisis · Mar 20, 2019

Needamaser said:
I am enjoying the scantily clad women and thoughts on cheese.

They are important to life and living...

GeoffCapes · Mar 20, 2019

rockits said:
More reason to break it up a little. Eggs in one basket and all. No one organisation or network should be too big. It is often deemed as anti competitive and difficult to manage.

I think we have too many too large organisations and networks these days. There is benefits and efficiencies from economies of scale do sure. However once you go beyond that you have gone too far and it becomes difficult to manage and more inneficient.

Finding the sweet spot a balance is hard but certainly worthwhile and rewarding.

This is the thing, maybe I don't get it. People are seeing that trading with the EU, is trading with one single entity.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
If 60% of exports go to the EU, we are not saying the go to one place. Lets say Brussels. They go to countless different place.
It's like saying you trade with Africa. When the reality is whatever you sell, it goes to South Africa, Nigeria, Sierra Leone etc etc etc.

The EU is an amalgamation of countries where trade is made easier because of the single tariffs and legislation alignments.

Why would you not want to trade in a region where everything is equal (in trading terms) surely this is a benefit to exporters? Turning your back on this is madness!

By all means trade more with the rest of the world, but turning your back on a huge single market made up of 27 countries is like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

MaserCoupe · Mar 20, 2019

GeoffCapes said:
This is the thing, maybe I don't get it. People are seeing that trading with the EU, is trading with one single entity.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
If 60% of exports go to the EU, we are not saying the go to one place. Lets say Brussels. They go to countless different place.
It's like saying you trade with Africa. When the reality is whatever you sell, it goes to South Africa, Nigeria, Sierra Leone etc etc etc.

The EU is an amalgamation of countries where trade is made easier because of the single tariffs and legislation alignments.

Why would you not want to trade in a region where everything is equal (in trading terms) surely this is a benefit to exporters? Turning your back on this is madness!

By all means trade more with the rest of the world, but turning your back on a huge single market made up of 27 countries is like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Yep couldn’t agree with this more. A 50million market to a 500million market and who is also ratifying trade deals with the rest of the world, now what’s more attractive to trade with? There is no better deal to be had than the one we currently and already have. It seems that “they didn’t need us more than we needed them” and no sign of the “German car industry leveraging or countenancing the EU to do what we want”, yep “the EU haven’t blinked” and nope there is no “11th hour of crumbling to our demands”. It seems that this isn’t “The easiest deal in history” oops!!! Oh and there may or may not be a short extension and oh yes we always had paliamentary sovereignty. But we have a positive in the restricted freedom of movement (and ours of course). No Brexit anyone??

philw696 · Mar 20, 2019

Liam Fox has all the deals in hand and the Commonwealth is totally behind us all.
Rule Britannia.

lifes2short · Mar 20, 2019

conaero said:
Just continue to keep it friendly

trust you to spoil it, I was hoping for pistols at dawn between wattie and geoffcapes soon

conaero · Mar 20, 2019

Can I ask a question on trade. Under the current deal with the EU, are we free to trade with any other global country?

I was of the impression that the EU forbids this or is this not the case?

doodlebug · Mar 20, 2019

conaero said:
Can I ask a question on trade. Under the current deal with the EU, are we free to trade with any other global country?

I was of the impression that the EU forbids this or is this not the case?

As I understand it, the UK has a free trade agreement with all EU countries, Norway, Switzerland plus other non-EU countries with which the EU have free-trade deals, e.g. Singapore, Canada etc.

The UK and any EU country are free to trade with any other country not mentioned above under WTO rules, except of course those who have trade embargoes such as North Korea, Iraq etc.

I may be completely wrong on this and I'm sure someone will be along in a bit to put me right.

doodlebug · Mar 20, 2019

conaero said:
Can I ask a question on trade. Under the current deal with the EU, are we free to trade with any other global country?

I was of the impression that the EU forbids this or is this not the case?

Matt, I have just found this about UK trade tariffs.

"With regard to tariffs, the UK trades with 24 countries and territories under WTO rules alone. With 68 others it has, as part of the EU, free trade agreements, either fully or partly in place, which all enable trade on better terms."

hoyin · Mar 20, 2019

D Walker said:
Parents

Exactly this.

I think parents are wrapping up their children in cotton wool and not allowing them to make mistakes or to suffer in anyway.

So they have no experience of a hard life or a lack of entitlement. As a consequence they have a lack of respect for elders as they don’t understand the struggle they had to undertake to get where they are.

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hoyin · Mar 20, 2019

Have we run a poll on the forum?

To see who voted stay or leave.

And if we had a revote what would they vote second time around?

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conaero · Mar 20, 2019

doodlebug said:
Matt, I have just found this about UK trade tariffs.

"With regard to tariffs, the UK trades with 24 countries and territories under WTO rules alone. With 68 others it has, as part of the EU, free trade agreements, either fully or partly in place, which all enable trade on better terms."

Thanks that makes sense and was not what I was led to believe.

conaero · Mar 20, 2019

hoyin said:
Have we run a poll on the forum?

To see who voted stay or leave.

And if we had a revote what would they vote second time around?

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Do you think this was the plan all along?

Frustrate the population with ineptitude then offer a second vote to convert to a remain result?

Stranger things have happened!

conaero · Mar 20, 2019

Can I ask another question. For sure a second vote would look to swing the leavers to remain, I get this but has anyone since the vote who voted remain swung to leave and what were the reasons?

jonny · Mar 20, 2019

doodlebug said:
better terms

That's the point. WTO is full of its own restrictions. For example, whatever terms you give a country under WTO rules must be extended to ALL other WTO nations. This is why being part of the EU and having access to its trading relationships is so valuable.

Chrisb2015 · Mar 20, 2019

jonny said:
That's the point. WTO is full of its own restrictions. For example, whatever terms you give a country under WTO rules must be extended to ALL other WTO nations. This is why being part of the EU and having access to its trading relationships is so valuable.

Yep...and anyone want to guess which is the one and only country in the world to trade exclusively on WTO rules?..........Mauritania

Should we set our sights a little higher?

rockits · Mar 20, 2019

conaero said:
Can I ask another question. For sure a second vote would look to swing the leavers to remain, I get this but has anyone since the vote who voted remain swung to leave and what were the reasons?

I would vote leave if given a 2nd referendum.

rockits · Mar 20, 2019

The trouble is with poker faces and bravado showing no sign of weakness or buckling is that you push yourself quite hard into a corner that is then difficult to retreat from with losing everything. It is a dangerous and high risk strategy.

It is like making a 'final' offer on a car or something similar. You draw a line and take your stance firm and hard. Then when you move your position is weakened and open for abusing.

The Cuban missile crisis situation nearly caused WW3 and it was very very close to happening. I don't think people realise how close it was. Only overted at the 11th hour at about 11:59!

I think the EU got their position right day one and negotiated strong all the way through. We have buckled and should have been as strong if not stronger from the off.

Best thing we can do now is actually leave....properly leave. I genuinely believe it will be the hardest and best thing we will ever do. However long term will be better for it....and I mean longer term. There will almost certainly be some pain for a while. No pain......no gain!

midlifecrisis · Mar 20, 2019

Chrisb2015 said:
Yep...and anyone want to guess which is the one and only country in the world to trade exclusively on WTO rules?..........Mauritania

Should we set our sights a little higher?

Yeah but that place has sunshine dunnit, so if we trade to wto rools we'd get more sun wouldn't we...well that wot I wuz told by farage

MaserCoupe · Mar 20, 2019

Unfortunately Bravado, “no pain no gain”, It’s that kind of belief and Rhetoric that got us into this mess. We had nothing to negotiate from day one. We are either gonna pull the plug on this debacle or general election or a final say on Teresa’s deal.

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