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Contigo

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Mine I think has been on from new as I have all the documented work covered since 1999 and there is no mention of new control arms in the 16 years.

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allandwf

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Wow, at least this thread has highlighted what possible dangers lurk unseen. Caught just in time?
 

Contigo

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Indeed, Emblem have highlighted some other horrors on mine and speaking to a few breakers I really don't think people realise just how bad the undersides of some of these older cars are. Even some of the nicer cars on the surface have been described as rough underneath including a recent broken Touring AC.

When I get mine back I plan over the next year to replace every single corroded spring, every control arm lower and upper, replace the rear subframe and check all bushes and mounts as these cars are now showing their age.

I'm pretty ******* gutted at this time to be honest.

:(
 

NickP

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So the question is do we all rush out and buy new arms and sort this out ourselves or wait for VOSA/Maserati to do something?
 

drewf

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Maserati won't reimburse you for anything done before a recall is issued, assuming one ever is. That's the question - do VOSA think they will require Maserati to issue a recall?
 

allandwf

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This is possibly the best time of year to sit and wait, after all, many will be tucked up. If people fix theirs one at a time then the problem will be disappearing in Maseratis eyes.
 

safrane

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Indeed, Emblem have highlighted some other horrors on mine and speaking to a few breakers I really don't think people realise just how bad the undersides of some of these older cars are. Even some of the nicer cars on the surface have been described as rough underneath including a recent broken Touring AC.

When I get mine back I plan over the next year to replace every single corroded spring, every control arm lower and upper, replace the rear subframe and check all bushes and mounts as these cars are now showing their age.

I'm pretty ******* gutted at this time to be honest.

:(

That may cost Phil, But if you love it....

Main dealer quote for my GS...Not that they need doing I only wanted a quote for one, but got them all....


The price for wishbone replacement are as follows:


Front Upper Nearside:
Parts
765.00 + VAT
Labour
240.00 + VAT
Total
1005.00 + VAT

Front Upper Offside:
Parts
765.00 + VAT
Labour
240.00 + VAT
Total
1005.00 + VAT

Front Lower Nearside:
Parts
1020.00 + VAT
Labour
240.00 + VAT
Total
1260.00 + VAT

Front Lower Offside:
Parts
1020.00 + VAT
Labour
240.00 + VAT
Total
1260.00 + VAT

Rear Upper Nearside:
Parts
833.00 + VAT
Labour
204.00 + VAT
Total
1037.00 + VAT

Rear Upper Offside:
Parts
833.00 + VAT
Labour
204.00 + VAT
Total
1037.00 + VAT

Rear Lower Nearside:
Parts
1360.00 + VAT
Labour
216.00 + VAT
Total
1576.00 + VAT

Rear Lower Offside:
Parts
1360.00 + VAT
Labour
180.00 + VAT
Total
1540.00 + VAT

I hope this helps. If you need any further prices please do not hesitate to call myself on 02920 666472.
Kind Regards,
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Phil the Brit

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My car is with Roberto at Grimaldi at the moment having some other work done. I phoned him yesterday to get him to check the wishbones on my car while it was there. He had never heard of the problem. Make of that what you will.
 

Rex B

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Wow, at least this thread has highlighted what possible dangers lurk unseen. Caught just in time?

All of us 3200 owners have to remember that these cars are all now between 14 and 16 years old and need a good check over each year to make sure that they are still safe for high speed motoring. The mot is not good enough you need someone with knowledge of model, those near Emblem could use there Saturday morning workshop, for others not so close an annual service at a good indie could be money well spent.

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Contigo

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All of us 3200 owners have to remember that these cars are all now between 14 and 16 years old and need a good check over each year to make sure that they are still safe for high speed motoring. The mot is not good enough you need someone with knowledge of model, those near Emblem could use there Saturday morning workshop, for others not so close an annual service at a good indie could be money well spent.

Rex B
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Spot on and just as I said.

These cars need someone who knows them like the back of their hand to go round every mount, bush and arm to check for horrors lurking. When I first saw the inspection list from my car last week I nearly puked. ALot of them I knew about like "Radio reception poor" lol but some of them I will need to address this year before I go on the LeMans trip!
 

highlander

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So the question is do we all rush out and buy new arms and sort this out ourselves or wait for VOSA/Maserati to do something?

That is the million dollar question nick. Call it " who blinks first" if you like but maser will know unless directed by vosa they just have to sit and wait since we are more likely to cave in first because we want to drive these cars, not win a battle :(
 

highlander

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, for others not so close an annual service at a good indie could be money well spent.

Rex B
Manual 3200

Totally agree Rex. It might be nearly a 400 mile round trip to PK supercars but the knowledge all the indies have on these older cars cannot be matched, even by maserati staff IMO so it is a no brainer where marci goes for her service.
As an update, marci going into my local garage tomorrow to have a check done of these wishbones so I at least know if she is safe to drive down to PK at the end of March for her service and MOT. Fingers crossed.
 

allandwf

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There also seems to be more than a little confusion about what to fit, different parts same stock numbers wildly differing prices, I would think that also needs addressed.
 

CatmanV2

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It would probably be unfair to point out that (as far as I can tell) this issue has not been picked up in any inspection or service by *any* indy or dealer. At least until 'we' started telling them where to look.

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BennyD

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Not quite true C, Autoshield have been aware of this problem for some time but, it seems, it has only become an epidemic quite recently.
 

CatmanV2

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Not quite true C, Autoshield have been aware of this problem for some time but, it seems, it has only become an epidemic quite recently.

Yes indeed. Although they don't appear to have mentioned it until someone raised it to them?

I guess it's possible that these arms are failing at the same time, but that *feels* unlikely. Surely even if they were all the same age (I'm guessing they have differing dates of manufacture) and there was a large age related component to the failure, arms actually in use would fail sooner? I'm just speculating really.

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philw696

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Mine I think has been on from new as I have all the documented work covered since 1999 and there is no mention of new control arms in the 16 years.

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To be fair guys having been a UK MOT tester and now testing vehicles here in New Zealand its a visual inspection of the whole vehicle to be done in about 1 hour.
If the vehicle is presented cold ie dropped off first thing for a later appointment just doing the emissions can take time and most need headlamp aim adjustment or putting the bulb in correctly after a keen owner has had ago.
Wheels dont get removed and tests usually done on a 4 post ramp so everything is restricted as to how good you see everything.
The MOT seriously needs updating for sure.
Here vehicles older than 2000 have to be tested every 6 months.
I have a brake fluid tester and check every car i work on and most fail badly with 5% moisture content.
It might be humidity here but i have rebuilt more brake callipers than i can remember putting in new pistons and seals.
Nothing can beat a proper and thorough inspection by someone knowing what they are doing on a regular basis.
Unfortunately the British winter weather is the biggest killer in the UK.
Seeing Phils arm with salt corrosion on it and recently Matts broken coil spring.
 

CatmanV2

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Can't argue with that, Phil. I get Feli to go over the car very carefully every time it goes in. I pay him for it, of course. I'm arranging to take it back to him to look for this specifically though!

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philw696

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Thankfully all of us on here are true enthusiasts who love our cars with a passion.
We also enjoy driving them as the Thoroughbred's they are.
Safety has to be paramount and if its a design or manufacturing fault someone needs to be accountable.
I know for several years and travelling all over Europe doing recall work for crazy things most never to be a problem but taken seriously and costing lots of money.
We all member the Toyota Prius with sticking throttle pedals.