gs clutch collapse. need help please
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A right pain in the wallet, but heh at least it should be back at the weekend
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Already arranged to save it, thought it might come in useful in the future
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Actuator due to arrive today, so hopefully she might be back on the road today or tomorrow at the latest.
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Well it's not the potentiometers
It's the actuator itself and Maserati want £2700 plus VAT
Talked to Emblem about rebuilding them and spoke to my Alfa specialist and both have advised that they have had units refurbished with varying results mainly unsuccessfully.
Eurospares will do it for just under £2k so looks like that is the way we are going given I want the car back sooner rather than later
You know, I was really afraid of this. When we could get it to shift, and after I put the brand new pots in the car, it was not responding like it was supposed to. The thing is the actuator rod turns the potentiometers, they have no function outside of this. It would confuse the TCU but it wouldn't make the type of noises the car was making from just the potentiometers. I still believe that it was something more serious wrong that broke the armature, the actuator itself is what we were leaning to next. I think you and I have varying views of what to do here though. I already set aside a 30,000 (my car has 26,300) mile F1 transmission with the Actuator and Solenoid block still apart of the deal. It's going to cost me $2900 for the entire transmission. The more money I put into parts I wish I would have done it in the first place. At least this way I have ALL the parts I will ever need to begin with. I can take the entire hydraulic system off this transmission and put it on mine. They want just as much for just the actuator, so in this case why not buy an entire spare transmission? What if it turns out to be the solenoid block or something else breaks again afterwards, it's right back into the wallet again? I will hopefully know before the beginning/end of next week whether I have to go the same route. My parts are going to come before weeks end. If this doesn't fix it though I will have another F1 transmission sitting around here........if I have to sit it in the living room with glass over it to make it worth it so be it!
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New actuator has arrived and it is being fitted tomorrow, assuming it can get a space on the ramp.
They are available 2nd hand at breakers 4200 Actuator but as I plan to keep the car I decided to go with a new unit, at least I know what I am getting. Also if it doesn't work Emblem will have to think again.
They are available 2nd hand at breakers 4200 Actuator but as I plan to keep the car I decided to go with a new unit, at least I know what I am getting. Also if it doesn't work Emblem will have to think again.
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Listen I definitely understand that 26,000 miles seems strange for life on an actuator but to be fair, there isn't a whole lot about this type of car that seems normal. The F1 pump has been replaced twice within the last 3 years. Once by the previous owner, then 9 months afterwards I replaced it. The funny thing is the reason why I put the money into the upgraded rims and bumpers was because of the low mileage, funny now in retrospect.
The wreck was in the front part of the car so I think the F1 system was fine. The car had me so upset I almost bought a junk car with the manual transmission and all the parts I needed. The only thing that stopped me was the fact all the wiring and TCU in the car was going to be a logistical nightmare, when it was all said and done it would have been cheaper to sell this and purchase another manual version. I'm not much for procrastination I suppose. I feel that putting a lot of time and effort into fixing a bunch of small things to walk them up to whatever the issue is, is just as expensive as just saying **** with it and replacing the actuator, solenoid block and all the lines connected to them. At least this way I know it's done and I have the spare parts sitting in the corner for another day.
The wreck was in the front part of the car so I think the F1 system was fine. The car had me so upset I almost bought a junk car with the manual transmission and all the parts I needed. The only thing that stopped me was the fact all the wiring and TCU in the car was going to be a logistical nightmare, when it was all said and done it would have been cheaper to sell this and purchase another manual version. I'm not much for procrastination I suppose. I feel that putting a lot of time and effort into fixing a bunch of small things to walk them up to whatever the issue is, is just as expensive as just saying **** with it and replacing the actuator, solenoid block and all the lines connected to them. At least this way I know it's done and I have the spare parts sitting in the corner for another day.
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Mine had done 50k miles so the actuator has done twice that of yours. I preferred to put in a new one rather than mess about with a potentially unknown unit that and the fact that it was the quickest way to get the car back on the road - hopefully
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I definitely hear you on getting the car back on the road! What are the final estimates of install and everything for the repair?
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Don't know yet but I am not expecting any change out of £3k
Ouch! And that's without a new clutch?
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Yep, it is starting to make the Q4 look like a cheap car to run
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Andy I was talking to MAF yesterday and the subject of actuators came up.
Early Alfa Selespeeds were terrible sort of a development platform for Ferrari Maserati.
If you look at our cars, early 4200's are approaching 13 years old, which frankly if you think about the complexity of that gearbox, I think they have done really well.
I think since my time on here I have heard of about 4 actuators going, a couple of gearbox failures, one due to no oil and quite a few clutch cover collapses.
If you look at the next generation in the GTS, I have heard of one diff shearing but that's about it. I don't even know of a single clutch replacement.
I know its a pain about yours but on the whole the CC has proved very reliable but as age becomes an issue we will start to see more actuator failures.
The only downside is Maserati seem set to take full advantage of the situation as per usual and actuator prices will start to rise.
Early Alfa Selespeeds were terrible sort of a development platform for Ferrari Maserati.
If you look at our cars, early 4200's are approaching 13 years old, which frankly if you think about the complexity of that gearbox, I think they have done really well.
I think since my time on here I have heard of about 4 actuators going, a couple of gearbox failures, one due to no oil and quite a few clutch cover collapses.
If you look at the next generation in the GTS, I have heard of one diff shearing but that's about it. I don't even know of a single clutch replacement.
I know its a pain about yours but on the whole the CC has proved very reliable but as age becomes an issue we will start to see more actuator failures.
The only downside is Maserati seem set to take full advantage of the situation as per usual and actuator prices will start to rise.
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The older the car and the higher the mileage the more likely it is for parts to fail and unfortunately Maserati are not known for cheap parts - part of the joy of ownership Heh ho, it should be back next week so I can get back to enjoying it
A selespeed Actuator is £1200 and it is no where near as complex as the Maser unit so it probably isn't that expensive in reality.
Heh ho, it should be back next week so I can get back to enjoying it A selespeed Actuator is £1200 and it is no where near as complex as the Maser unit so it probably isn't that expensive in reality.