Whats casuing my ERROR LIGHT

[rs48635]

Good Luck Arnie, big respect for your efforts.

Does the error lamp extinguish when sport mode is selected?

btw only ever seen 2 P3/4. One is a toy car i've had since I was 5, the other a similar sounding replica used for Sporting Bears "Dream Rides".

 

[Fat Arnie]

Hi |Rob,

No its on all the time. Normal or Sport

The Sporting Bears car is a Foreman kit (no longer available) - I know the owner. Not very realistic, it has a Chevy 350 in it.

 

[Danny]

Arnie, have you solved this issue in the end?

I am know facing the same issue and I am really irritated by the error message which is showing in front of my face. Furthermore, I have the feeling that at least one of the shocks is seized in sport mode, which is quite annoying when driving around in the village. What I have done so far: with some help from a friend (and a stethoscope) we tried to listen to both front actuators. These should turn (and therefore make a noise) after turning the key to ignitition but without starting the car. Strangely though, we couldn't hear any sound from both of them, so they are either both knackered or there is something else amiss. Question: could it be the vertical or horizontal sensor? Would a disfunctioning of one of these sensors result in the error light? Second question: can a suspension error be read and interpreted by a SD3 tester on a 2001 MY 3200? Pointers where to start looking would be highly appreciated!

Thanks,
Danny

 

[lozcb]

Arnie, have you solved this issue in the end?

I am know facing the same issue and I am really irritated by the error message which is showing in front of my face. Furthermore, I have the feeling that at least one of the shocks is seized in sport mode, which is quite annoying when driving around in the village. What I have done so far: with some help from a friend (and a stethoscope) we tried to listen to both front actuators. These should turn (and therefore make a noise) after turning the key to ignitition but without starting the car. Strangely though, we couldn't hear any sound from both of them, so they are either both knackered or there is something else amiss. Question: could it be the vertical or horizontal sensor? Would a disfunctioning of one of these sensors result in the error light? Second question: can a suspension error be read and interpreted by a SD3 tester on a 2001 MY 3200? Pointers where to start looking would be highly appreciated!

Thanks,
Danny

Sorry trying to teach you to suck eggs Danny , but in my view your going around this the hard way , not sure what neck of the woods your in but give an indie a call, ( my personal recomendation would be Roberto (grimaldi engineering) Halstead Essex or Myles of ( Emblem Sports ) Poole Dorset , there are a few others and im sure they would be just as helpful , it will take the guessing out of the game , and give ou some good relevant pointers where to look anbd check

Trouble with the 3200 (sorry guys ) is that there are always a few possibilities that can cause similar problems best to know what one is doing where as the 4200 being N/a seems easier to diagnose

regards loz

 

[LDM 3200]

Danny,

I think he sorted the prolem, or at least hope he did as I own the car now with a visit to a specialist. I seem to remember him saying he went to Roberts Aerospace who pointed him in the right direction.

Cheers
Lee

 

[conaero]

I am seeing Mike tomorrow so if you want me to ask him about it, PM me the info.

 

[safrane]

Emblem are still doing their Saturday Inspections for free...just had mine done which was two and a half hours and info on any fault codes...mine had none.

 

[hodroyd]

It's good to have Indies who are out there to help and not just look for profit..!!

 

[Parisien]

Emblem are still doing their Saturday Inspections for free...just had mine done which was two and a half hours and info on any fault codes...mine had none.

Great customer services and good business acumen too


P

 

[lozcb]

Reckon they (Emblem) must have one of the largest repeat customer bases out there in the Indie field




regards loz

 

[Danny]

Trouble with the 3200 (sorry guys ) is that there are always a few possibilities that can cause similar problems best to know what one is doing where as the 4200 being N/a seems easier to diagnose

regards loz

To be honest, I was pessimistic as well but actually I have made some good progress.

Last friday I paid a visit to the official Ferrari/Maserati dealer since my Indie does not have the SD2 or SD3 tester. First, the mechanic tried to connect to the Bilstein ECU via SD3 (which can simulate SD2, which is needed for the Maserati 3200). This didn't work. We could get into the central ECU but not in any of the various other ECU's.

Then the mechanic said that he had some success in the past with the (Ferrari only) SD1 tester. So, we hooked up the SD1 and we got into the Bilstein ECU immediately! First surprise for me was that this Bilstein ECU apparantly has a memory, since we saw several error codes which were stored. Second suprise was that there is a function in SD1 which can be used to calibrate each actuator separately. I asked the mechanic if I could make a picture of it, and this is how it looks like:

We cleared all error codes and recalibrated all 4 actuators and the error light in the dash had disappeared...

...only to come back again as soon as I arrived at home.....bugger. Tbh, I think that one of my front shocks is shot, so I will have to find a solution for that.

I will try to do another read-out with SD1 soon but the big news -as far as I'm concerned- is that the 3200 suspension can be diagnosed quite precisely after all, so one reason less for 3200 bashing by 4200 owners.

 

[lozcb]

To be honest, I was pessimistic as well but actually I have made some good progress.

Last friday I paid a visit to the official Ferrari/Maserati dealer since my Indie does not have the SD2 or SD3 tester. First, the mechanic tried to connect to the Bilstein ECU via SD3 (which can simulate SD2, which is needed for the Maserati 3200). This didn't work. We could get into the central ECU but not in any of the various other ECU's.

Then the mechanic said that he had some success in the past with the (Ferrari only) SD1 tester. So, we hooked up the SD1 and we got into the Bilstein ECU immediately! First surprise for me was that this Bilstein ECU apparantly has a memory, since we saw several error codes which were stored. Second suprise was that there is a function in SD1 which can be used to calibrate each actuator separately. I asked the mechanic if I could make a picture of it, and this is how it looks like:

We cleared all error codes and recalibrated all 4 actuators and the error light in the dash had disappeared...

...only to come back again as soon as I arrived at home.....bugger. Tbh, I think that one of my front shocks is shot, so I will have to find a solution for that.

I will try to do another read-out with SD1 soon but the big news -as far as I'm concerned- is that the 3200 suspension can be diagnosed quite precisely after all, so one reason less for 3200 bashing by 4200 owners.

Point taken Danny lol , but trying to prevent 3200 bashing is rather similar to the boy with his finger in the dike scenario lol

tried using D.Y.K.E but it wouldn't have it .........blooody lesbian political correctness gone mad lol


regards loz

 

[ahvlanico]

Im quite sure that the actuators and shocks are same system like the F456 and F355.
I owned a F355 wit a shock leak and sent the pair to this, men who changed the seals, the gaz and the oil for less than 400 eu the pair a few years ago.
He know the 3200 too.

you should contact him:
http://www.suspensions-sport.com/

Im not sure he speak english if you need help for a translation MP me..you can tell him you contact him bacause I told you "Im the Nico F355 from center of France and club auto les amis d'enzo" I put his advertising on our page and he should offer good price to you.

Good luck
Nico

 

[Danny]

Im quite sure that the actuators and shocks are same system like the F456 and F355.
I owned a F355 wit a shock leak and sent the pair to this, men who changed the seals, the gaz and the oil for less than 400 eu the pair a few years ago.
He know the 3200 too.

you should contact him:
http://www.suspensions-sport.com/

Im not sure he speak english if you need help for a translation MP me..you can tell him you contact him bacause I told you "Im the Nico F355 from center of France and club auto les amis d'enzo" I put his advertising on our page and he should offer good price to you.

Good luck
Nico

Hi Nico,

The actuators and Bilstein ECU (and probably the vertical and horizontal sensors as well) ARE the same as a.o. the F355. There aren't even Maserati logo's on these parts, only prancing horses. The news is that the Ferrari SD1 tester (which, contrary to the SD2 and SD3 is specifically developed for Ferrari) can communicate with the Maserati via the central OBDII port. Regarding refurbishment shock absorbers: this can indeed be done and probably by several specialists. I have used Bilstein themselves for the refurbishment (Bilstein UK) and although changing seals, gaz and oil is quite straightforward for them, with my shocks there was (very slight) corrosion on the surface of the chrome shafts and for that reason, a refurbishment would perhaps work, but only for a limited amount of time since the corroded area would cause the seals to no longer have a perfect fit. So, as long as the shafts are in perfect state, a refurb can be done. But perhaps you could ask your guy what he can do in such a situation? That would be valuable info.

Thanks,
Danny

 

[dickygrace]

I've got a full set of actuators spare if you do need them. Perfect working order.

 

[ahvlanico]

If there is corrosion it is a bad solution to rebuild them I agree..
This men offer too home made shocks for Ferrari maserati, they are close to OE except they are not aloy but iron made so heavier..Do you want me to ask him questions about this solution and pricing ?

 

[Danny]

Thanks but I'll probably stick to the OEM versions, just to keep my Assetto Corsa as original as possible. But it would be nice to know whether their alternatives are variable setting shocks and whether they work with the same actuators and ECU.

 

[hodroyd]

Danny,
Looking at the readings on screen, you have a definite issue. I would be inclined just to get a Bilstein replacement shock, if you have any degradation on the shaft at all, you will be wasting your time and money rebuilding. I think I have some contacts at Bilstein if you want them.
Cheers
R

 

[ahvlanico]

Hello
I asked the question for you:

So he aswered that for the 3200 he have new shocks at 590 eu each. It is possible to have the separate gaz tank too but more usefull for track or racing. this optional part cost 140 eu
All prices inc VAT FR 19.6%.

here is the picture.
Feel free to contact him..

 

[Rex B]

Danny

Before you spend any money on new shock absorbers or actuators you need to carry out the checks as detailed in Arnies post at the start of this tread. This will identify if there is a problem with any of these components and looking at the read outs I would start with your left front which appears to show some different reading to the others.

Rex B

Manual 3200