What a load of shite

[safrane]

Yep. Was at a big gathering recently and one guy came in a BEV a reasonable distance up the country with the message 'don't buy a BEV as your only car'. He had tales of broken chargers, queuing up, lots of coffee and real world range being a lot less when you look at charger max stay, peer pressure of two cars sat waiting for you to go and the slowness of getting the last 10-20% in if you have a long way to go. It was a great car to be driven in and for those lucky enough to get company cars and minimal BIK they make a lot of sense as long as the family has at least one other car too.

The real game changer is going to be affordable small BEVs that we can all buy or PCP with our own money for most journeys as long as you have something else for the long stuff. At least that reduces emissions where it matters in towns and cities.

I have had people knock on my window and ask me to move, they feel their journey/need is greater than mine. Of course with charging rates in the public network at an all time high you also see drivers queuing for the cheaper ones even those that are only 7kwph to save a few pounds. As a result I am often forced onto the expensive fast charger, which I cant make use of the extra flow, until a company driver wants me to move as they don't care about the cost.

 

[Hurricane52]

Dearest Mods - any chance you might change the title of this thread to What a load of e-****? I keep forgetting what shite it’s on about, as we’re surrounded by shite. Merry shitmas.

 

[midlifecrisis]

Dearest Mods - any chance you might change the title of this thread to What a load of e-****? I keep forgetting what shite it’s on about, as we’re surrounded by shite. Merry shitmas.

just move the e from the end to the start...

 

[DLax69]

Here's my "wisdom" ...I think most everyone agrees that moving away from ICE is for the best, long term. I do not, however, believe that the alternative...or the sole alternative...has to be plug-in electrics, for all the shortcomings noted above, and more. I hope there is still exploration of additional contenders...

 

[Ewan]

The E-Tron had its end-of-year-2 service today at Audi Salisbury. £400 inc VAT, for the car to be collected from my office, checked/serviced, software upgraded, new break fluid, washed and returned. The car has now done just over 25k miles.

But, it is now due a full new set of tyres, as the originals are all 95-98% worn. It wears 265/45/21's, so a full set will be around £1000. That's a job for tomorrow.

 

[safrane]

The E-Tron had its end-of-year-2 service today at Audi Salisbury. £400 inc VAT, for the car to be collected from my office, checked/serviced, software upgraded, new break fluid, washed and returned. The car has now done just over 25k miles.

But, it is now due a full new set of tyres, as the originals are all 95-98% worn. It wears 265/45/21's, so a full set will be around £1000. That's a job for tomorrow.

Interesting - the XC90 T8 was only £250 inc VAT and that has both a petrol and electric systems - I assume the Lake-district hourly rate is far less than down south (Its original supplying dealer)

 

[MAF260]

The E-Tron had its end-of-year-2 service today at Audi Salisbury. £400 inc VAT, for the car to be collected from my office, checked/serviced, software upgraded, new break fluid, washed and returned. The car has now done just over 25k miles.

But, it is now due a full new set of tyres, as the originals are all 95-98% worn. It wears 265/45/21's, so a full set will be around £1000. That's a job for tomorrow.

That sounds like an immense rip off to me. Typical main stealer behaviour, I suppose.

 

[schell70]

Arrggghhhh - a few weeks ago I was totally ant-BEV due to the new cost BUT I'm starting a new job in Feb and I have the choice of a company car or car allowance (rather than just the car allowance I get at the moment).

I have been running bangernomics on the car allowance but looking at the idea of a BEV now (jeez what happened!)

Car allowance is £600 a month but after tax & NI etc. that's going to be £300 a month

For a BEV I can probably get one of the following:

Tesla Model 3
Polestar 2
Kia EV6
Audi Q4 Etron
Subaru Solterro??
etc......

This would be between £30 & £40 a month in BIK

I probably only do one 200+ mile a month trip and would be able to charge at home so it's got me thinking now! Also we have other cars in the household

It's the thought of a brand new car for £400 a year ish that is making me wonder, obviously this only works for BEV's with the BIK.

What to do?! Help!

 

[DLax69]

Arrggghhhh - a few weeks ago I was totally ant-BEV due to the new cost BUT I'm starting a new job in Feb and I have the choice of a company car or car allowance (rather than just the car allowance I get at the moment).

I have been running bangernomics on the car allowance but looking at the idea of a BEV now (jeez what happened!)

Car allowance is £600 a month but after tax & NI etc. that's going to be £300 a month

For a BEV I can probably get one of the following:

Tesla Model 3
Polestar 2
Kia EV6
Audi Q4 Etron
Subaru Solterro??
etc......

This would be between £30 & £40 a month in BIK

I probably only do one 200+ mile a month trip and would be able to charge at home so it's got me thinking now! Also we have other cars in the household

It's the thought of a brand new car for £400 a year ish that is making me wonder, obviously this only works for BEV's with the BIK.

What to do?! Help!

MC20

 

[Ewan]

That sounds like an immense rip off to me. Typical main stealer behaviour, I suppose.

It is expensive for what it is. £100 inc Vat was the brake fluid change, and £300 inc Vat was the service. Obviously it’s main dealer pricing, and even the collection/delivery (a total of 4 hours and about 150 miles of driving) needs to be accounted for. So overall, whilst not cheap, I do not find it outrageous.

And obviously, compared with what one might pay after a year and 12500 miles in a Maser, it’s buttons.

 

[RodTungsten]

Renault Zoe 2nd year 23000 main dlr service. £85 plus VAT. £32 of that was pollen filter and screen wash. Looks like they did check everything incl duff crash sensors.

 

[bigbob]

It is expensive for what it is. £100 inc Vat was the brake fluid change, and £300 inc Vat was the service. Obviously it’s main dealer pricing, and even the collection/delivery (a total of 4 hours and about 150 miles of driving) needs to be accounted for. So overall, whilst not cheap, I do not find it outrageous.

And obviously, compared with what one might pay after a year and 12500 miles in a Maser, it’s buttons.

It’s about the only thing I like about Teslas’ in that they appreciate that their cars require next to no servicing other than brake fluid. The MOT will pick up long term wear issues on suspension/brake lines etc and brakes last a lot longer in BEVs.

I suspect the German manufacturers will do all they can to milk the service regime for cars that don’t really need it.

 

[bigbob]

Arrggghhhh - a few weeks ago I was totally ant-BEV due to the new cost BUT I'm starting a new job in Feb and I have the choice of a company car or car allowance (rather than just the car allowance I get at the moment).

I have been running bangernomics on the car allowance but looking at the idea of a BEV now (jeez what happened!)

Car allowance is £600 a month but after tax & NI etc. that's going to be £300 a month

For a BEV I can probably get one of the following:

Tesla Model 3
Polestar 2
Kia EV6
Audi Q4 Etron
Subaru Solterro??
etc......

This would be between £30 & £40 a month in BIK

I probably only do one 200+ mile a month trip and would be able to charge at home so it's got me thinking now! Also we have other cars in the household

It's the thought of a brand new car for £400 a year ish that is making me wonder, obviously this only works for BEV's with the BIK.

What to do?! Help!

I would take a BEV in these circumstances. I love the look of the EV6, could not stomach a Tesla as I don’t like the design and I could not live with the Musk association, Polestar2 looks nice to me as does the Q4. One of my neighbours has the Subaru and it looks a bit odd.

I would look at road tests to see what the number of miles per kWh are in real use to aid my choice. If I had to choose whilst sat in the office having never visited a dealer as many people do with company cars then I would go EV6 first and Polestar2 second.

 

[Ewan]

Arrggghhhh - a few weeks ago I was totally ant-BEV due to the new cost BUT I'm starting a new job in Feb and I have the choice of a company car or car allowance (rather than just the car allowance I get at the moment).

I have been running bangernomics on the car allowance but looking at the idea of a BEV now (jeez what happened!)

Car allowance is £600 a month but after tax & NI etc. that's going to be £300 a month

For a BEV I can probably get one of the following:

Tesla Model 3
Polestar 2
Kia EV6
Audi Q4 Etron
Subaru Solterro??
etc......

This would be between £30 & £40 a month in BIK

I probably only do one 200+ mile a month trip and would be able to charge at home so it's got me thinking now! Also we have other cars in the household

It's the thought of a brand new car for £400 a year ish that is making me wonder, obviously this only works for BEV's with the BIK.

What to do?! Help!

Given that you already have other cars (for weekend fun or long journeys/adventures), getting an EV as a cost-effective company car and daily runabout is a no-brainer. It's why 20% of new cars sales in the UK are now EV, and why over 90% of those are company purchases.
I'd go for the Kia EV6. You'd be getting a brand new and good looking £50k car for less than £500 a year. Bargain! (I think, unsurprisingly, that there's quite a long waiting list for a new EV6 though, so you may need to check that.)

 

[RodTungsten]

A propos nothing really but reading an EV blog about compressed air energy storage (CAES) reminded me about trompes: fascinating waterfall> free compressed air.

 

[Felonious Crud]

Arrggghhhh - a few weeks ago I was totally ant-BEV due to the new cost BUT I'm starting a new job in Feb and I have the choice of a company car or car allowance (rather than just the car allowance I get at the moment).

I have been running bangernomics on the car allowance but looking at the idea of a BEV now (jeez what happened!)

Car allowance is £600 a month but after tax & NI etc. that's going to be £300 a month

For a BEV I can probably get one of the following:

Tesla Model 3
Polestar 2
Kia EV6
Audi Q4 Etron
Subaru Solterro??
etc......

This would be between £30 & £40 a month in BIK

I probably only do one 200+ mile a month trip and would be able to charge at home so it's got me thinking now! Also we have other cars in the household

It's the thought of a brand new car for £400 a year ish that is making me wonder, obviously this only works for BEV's with the BIK.

What to do?! Help!

The Kia, apparently, is excellent. The Tesla looks like a big bag of old bollox, in my opinion. Mind you, a mate has a Model S and it's now on 250k km and still feels as tight as a drum.

 

[Hurricane52]

When I was a nipper (when milk was delivered by electricity), there seemed to be an electric car invented by some British mad cap professor every month. I even remember a rumour that the oil companies were busy bumping off the most promising ones.

I guess in the end it was another case of the British muttering into their warm beer, that they’d invented it, but didn’t get the manufacturing nor the sales and marketing organised. Oh, … and they all looked shite.

 

[philw696]

Well my Milwaukee power tools are still going strong since 2014 and on original batteries.
That's as far as I'm going

 

[safrane]

As some know I use my Hybrid to get to work in Cardiff and I used to use the Tesla Destination chargers at the St Davids Centre. However I found out this week that they are being removed by the shopping centre owners due to the cost of running them (TESLA fits them for free but the location pays for the destination ones)... seems to be happening across the board now due to the price of the fuel.

 

[dickygrace]

Does it have to be new? Surely a Taycan is the pick of them if you must have a fully electric vehicle and not a hybrid. I’d happily have a brand new Taycan for £400 a year. The system is so flawed it’s crazy. A new car is not good for the environment but tax breaks based on the narrative they are good for the environment makes them near enough free for some people. Madness, but I’d have one as we alone can’t do a single thing about the system.