ULEZ

[lifes2short]

i'm all for cleaning up the air but does anyone think that the new ulez thing in London is poorly thought out and will simply put a strain on already struggling businesses that need to go in to the city, not to mention people that simply cannot afford to go out and buy a new car, I heard trucks have to pay a whopping £100 every day plus the congestion, another case of lets tax the poor motorist as that's the easiest option, what about airlines, log burners, old ch boilers etc

 

[Oneball]

Most of London is a smoke control area, has been since the 50s, that means no coal, no wood, just needs enforcing. Airlines don’t cause health issues in cities either.

 

[Mattp]

I'm all for cleaning up the air... but I'm in two minds with the ulez... for the city centre it's almost fair, but there is talk of expanding it from the congestion charge zone out to the north circular, or beyond... that is what I see as putting the hurt on normal people.

My example is hugely selfish... My son requires regular visits to GT Ormand street, using public transport the cost is around £130 round trip. Plus he has to endure the commuter crush in the morning which he finds rather upsetting.
I have a car park just on st Katherines dock that I use, so the cost comes down to £40.
I know when the ulez expands it's just another tenner or so, but it still sucks!

On the upside, of the 3 cars in the family, the QP is deemed the cleanest and is the only one exempt from the charge!!

 

[2b1ask1]

North south circular 2021 and M25 for 2025!

Now the killer is that it is 24/7, 365 and the vehicle being in the zone attracts the charge not mattering if it is being driven! £3,500 P/A just for owning it! Be afraid, be very afraid of Mr Khan...

 

[Nibby]

Does your exhaust fumes become cleaner when you hand over more money?

 

[outrun]

Does your exhaust fumes become cleaner when you hand over more money?

You sir, have won the internet today. Don't go in to politics, you won't last two minutes telling the truth so clearly.

 

[lifes2short]

Airlines don’t cause health issues in cities either.

funny how Khan approves the expansion after becoming mayor, when it was originally refused, stinks of hypocrisy to me

London City Airport expansion approved - Aviation Environment Federation

Expansion at London City Airport has been approved in a joint statement by the Chancellor, Transport Secretary and Secretary of State for Local Government and Communities. The expansion plan involves …

www.aef.org.uk

 

[Oneball]

funny how Khan approves the expansion after becoming mayor, when it was originally refused, stinks of hypocrisy to me

London City Airport expansion approved - Aviation Environment Federation

Expansion at London City Airport has been approved in a joint statement by the Chancellor, Transport Secretary and Secretary of State for Local Government and Communities. The expansion plan involves …

www.aef.org.uk

It’s the London politician effect.

If you’re a politician that works in London, even if you’re the MP for Bolton, you do what benefits someone living in central London (City, Westminster, K&C). When you look at it like that all this **** they do makes sense.

 

[rockits]

I'm all for cleaning up the air and the planet. However don't tickle it.....do it properly. Full and fairly. No holds barred. Otherwise we won't make a dent.

I don't believe it will impact our environment enough and will have only a minor positive impact in the grand scheme of things.

Stinks of a quick and easy tax to me. Until we change our outlooks and do things for the reason they are introduced and not for personal gain all of it will be massively flawed.

The govt are not doing this to improve air quality as the primary driver. It is a tax first and if it cleans the air a smidge then great.

Far too little....far too late. If your going to do something......please do it properly!

Also if all or some of this revenue is to be used to improve roads, or increase electric charging infrastructure or similar then great but I expect not.

I am presuming all public electric charging points must use only 100% renewable energy sources? Bl00dy need to be if they aren't or it makes a mockery of the whole thing.

 

[lifes2short]

The govt are not doing this to improve air quality as the primary driver. It is a tax first and if it cleans the air a smidge then great.

agreed, isn't it funny that labour were the ones that were pushing environmentally friendly diesel cars and now they are penalising the very same car owners years later, I personally think khans a muppet

 

[Wagons-Lits]

North south circular 2021 and M25 for 2025!

Now the killer is that it is 24/7, 365 and the vehicle being in the zone attracts the charge not mattering if it is being driven! £3,500 P/A just for owning it! Be afraid, be very afraid of Mr Khan...

my understanding was that the daily charge was for actually driving the car in the zone, e.g. if it's sitting on the drive it won't incur a charge.

Has that changed? Can't find anything on-line.

Or is this if you drive your car into the zone, it keeps 'ticking over'? How will that work for cars sitting on the drive?

Maybe now is a good time to be in the car storage business!

 

[Phil H]

I'm all for cleaning up the air and the planet. However don't tickle it.....do it properly. Full and fairly. No holds barred. Otherwise we won't make a dent.

I don't believe it will impact our environment enough and will have only a minor positive impact in the grand scheme of things.

Stinks of a quick and easy tax to me. Until we change our outlooks and do things for the reason they are introduced and not for personal gain all of it will be massively flawed.

The govt are not doing this to improve air quality as the primary driver. It is a tax first and if it cleans the air a smidge then great.

Far too little....far too late. If your going to do something......please do it properly!

Also if all or some of this revenue is to be used to improve roads, or increase electric charging infrastructure or similar then great but I expect not.

I am presuming all public electric charging points must use only 100% renewable energy sources? Bl00dy need to be if they aren't or it makes a mockery of the whole thing.

You're surely not suggesting that a politician would lie about revenue raising - are you?

Meanwhile the Highways Agency spent over £300m on schemes to reduce congestion around the UK, none of which seem to have worked! In truth, there is no cohesive UK policy for addressing urban pollution, congestion, road repairs, or anything else, although there is a cohesive policy for paying big bucks to the managers and consultants responsible for such things.

PH

 

[D Walker]

That's not the same Khan that once owned a Bugatti Veyron... Is it?

 

[lifes2short]

That's not the same Khan that once owned a Bugatti Veyron... Is it?

wouldn't be surprised, a few brown envelopes exchanging hands

 

[Koz]

That's not the same Khan that once owned a Bugatti Veyron... Is it?

No I think the Bugatti guy is Afzal Khan the man behind Project Khan car customising.

 

[rockits]

Ironic that the sector of society that makes the rules and laws conduct almost criminal behaviour but get away with it and actually get paid to do so and then by the tax payer as well.

If we step out of line by 1mm we get clobbered or go to court or jail. The UK corrupt? You bet if chuffin is.....no better than Cuba or Mexico. Just tried to be hidden a little bit better.

 

[Corranga]

I'm all for cleaning up the air and the planet. However don't tickle it.....do it properly. Full and fairly. No holds barred. Otherwise we won't make a dent.

I don't believe it will impact our environment enough and will have only a minor positive impact in the grand scheme of things.

Stinks of a quick and easy tax to me. Until we change our outlooks and do things for the reason they are introduced and not for personal gain all of it will be massively flawed.

The govt are not doing this to improve air quality as the primary driver. It is a tax first and if it cleans the air a smidge then great.

Far too little....far too late. If your going to do something......please do it properly!

Also if all or some of this revenue is to be used to improve roads, or increase electric charging infrastructure or similar then great but I expect not.

I am presuming all public electric charging points must use only 100% renewable energy sources? Bl00dy need to be if they aren't or it makes a mockery of the whole thing.

This isn't about cleaning up the planet though, it's about improving the air quality, and therefore the quality of life of those who live in central London where air pollution levels are much higher than is deemed safe, especially on hot days.

A tax first and foremost, I guess time will tell how effective it is.
Too little too late? I agree, but that's a **** reason to do nothing about it.
Non-renewable sources making a mockery? I don't think so, that moves the pollution out of the city, which,m whilst it's not as green, is still a win for Khan and London.

...and finally, please do it properly... well, I don't think a full ban on polluting vehicles in London would be any more popular than this!

 

[lifes2short]

didn't realise that all uk historic taxation class motors are automatically exempt from charges in the ulez and don't even have to register with TfL

 

[Wack61]

Some cities in Europe have a coloured disc system where the colour indicates which days you can drive in the city centre but then the super rich who pull the strings wouldn't be able to do whatever they want because they can afford to pay

So some guy with a Honda C90 can't get to work on it but knightsbridge will see plenty of supercars ripping up the streets all summer for free

I wonder how much pollution all those diesel ships travelling into the port of London put out, I bet they don't even count that

The Port of London: handles over 53 million tonnes of cargo, carried in 12,500 commercial vessels that visit the port each year.

 

[dgmx5]

So some guy with a Honda C90 can't get to work on it but knightsbridge will see plenty of supercars ripping up the streets all summer for free

I wonder how much pollution all those diesel ships travelling into the port of London put out, I bet they don't even count that

The Port of London: handles over 53 million tonnes of cargo, carried in 12,500 commercial vessels that visit the port each year.

Why do you think supercars are ULEZ exempt?

And where do you think those 40 cargo ships a day are actually docking?