Teachers looking after their own.

mjheathcote

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Next month my year 10 daughter will be going back to high school part time.
My son however in year 6 is not so lucky.
There are only 10 kids in year 6 at the local school, however they are only taking back half.
The half going back are from key work families, that happen to be part time teacher assistants, with partners that work from home. In my opinion, their kids shouldn't have been at school during the lockdown anyway with a parent at home.
When they go back they are now been teached, not child minded, the others are not, and with parents both working full time with no available child care facilities.
How can this be right?
Teachers looking after their own.
 
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When did teachers / schools get so much power?
Fines for term holidays, not wanting to start up again in June etc etc
My son is married to a head teacher in London and they are on a different planet sometimes
 

mjheathcote

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My son is so devistated, so looking forward to walking to school again on his own, bringing in his craft projects to show, meeting his freinds etc. He was in tears last night.
Now he won't see the school again, September he will be going to high school.
The school has said they will post all the lessons they are teaching the 'chosen ones' on line so we can home school the same.
They just don't get it, we both are working full time not furloughed and my 15 year old daughter will partly be back at high school. But some how they think we are at home with nothing else to do but be teachers!
 

zagatoes30

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Much easier here, schools are closed to September, this has been communicated for months but then again we also have strict travel rules, now up to 5km (was 2km) from home unless essential work, grocery or medical shopping.

From June we are moving up to 20km, but other restrictions remain.
 

lozcb

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When did teachers / schools get so much power?
Fines for term holidays, not wanting to start up again in June etc etc
My son is married to a head teacher in London and they are on a different planet sometimes

Blame Blair , we taught and trained them that to be Woke and it was fine and was going to be the new norm in the name of liberalism , now they have grown into teachers and practicising it in our schools of our grandkids , some of us new it was ludicrous and an unealistic utopia , time to wake up and smell the coffee before its too late , its seveely affected the univesities lecturers as Jordan Petersen has been harping on about
 

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For me this situation with going back or not going back to school typifies what is wrong with the UK. Germany and Denmark managed to plan and get schools back in some form within 3 weeks whilst we are held to ransome by a teaching union that is far too strong, a media that pushes for 100% safe return and opposition MPs wanting to score political points.
Not going back till August in Scotland and they are still bleating about not enough time to plan for it to happen safely.....really?! It's never going to be safe, this is not a 3 month virus, it is here to stay so best we can all do is risk manage........
Whilst some education staff volunteered to continue supporting children through the lockdown in various ways and situations, most didn't and since they are LA employees they do not qualify for furlough so have been on full pay at home. In Scotland we are trying to set up hubs for children vulnerable in the community from next month and the message from teaching unions is education staff will not be covering these through the summer holidays unless they volunteer since they are "entitled" to their holidays! All in all I don't think they have covered themselves in glory over this and doubt anyone will be out clapping on Thursday for teachers anytime soon.......
 

mjheathcote

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At my daughters high school it's part time, so all the year 10 get lesson time, and numbers are reduced in the school to comply with government guidelines.
My point is my sons year 6 have chosen half, and that's it.
'The chosen' with 'key workers' are all part time key workers, and have other halves that aren't, that work from home anyway.
Keyworker should only apply if both parents are keyworker, or of course single parent families.
 

lozcb

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So if I’m reading this right the consensus is

Doctors, nurses and NHS staff who complain about not being able to follow the Government’s guidelines on working safely are heros, exemplars of the blitz spirit and should be applauded.

Teachers and education professionals who complain about not being able to follow the Government’s guidelines on working safely are money grabbing Blairite scaredy pants who should go and sacrifice themselves for the good of the Daily Mail’s readers.
Yes , i also believe it was a Blairite liberalist government that intoduced fining parents for taking their kids out of school ..........slating that education is soooooo important and should not be missed , rather than tackling the root of the problem making it illegal for tour companys raising their prices come school holiday time ..........................head shaking now they want it both ways
 
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DavidL

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At my daughters high school it's part time, so all the year 10 get lesson time, and numbers are reduced in the school to comply with government guidelines.
My point is my sons year 6 have chosen half, and that's it.
'The chosen' with 'key workers' are all part time key workers, and have other halves that aren't, that work from home anyway.
Keyworker should only apply if both parents are keyworker, or of course single parent families.
I'm inclined to agree but that isn't the fault of the schools or the staff. To comply and be available for work they have to deal with their own childcare issues so yes, there are children of school staff in school. Lots of staff are unavailable for work as, along with everyone else they are encouraged to self isolate or shield if their health dictates this. This means there are staff shortages on the ground. Less of an issue when the schools were shut but potentially, it's going to become one soon.
The numbers of keyworkers's children in school is relatively low against the whole school role.
Yes they are looking after their own but only in the literal sense and only to be able to do their job as requested.
The post title is really very unfair and misleading.
 

philw696

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Well for someone who left a Secondary School with búgger all qualifications bar a couple of worthless CSE certificates I don't really see it as a major problem.
As long as you can read and write understand numbers your halfway there.
I feel a lot more emphasis should be put into proper apprenticeship training programs and then Countries can start moving forwards.
Otherwise we will end up with more Boris Johnson's.
 

Silvercat

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It’s a right mess. Same debates going on all over the country. Let’s hope common sense prevails.
I agree. There is far too much consultation and discussion going on and not enough 'just do it. I'm not a dictator but TBH you just have you say to people sometimes, enough is enough and this is the way we are going to do it.....no more debate. Some would say its providing strong leadership. In my view, the UKG need to toughen up and do a bit more 'instructing', including with those schools who are just refusing to tow the party line. If I had run my old management teams like this over the last 32 years, then I would have got nothing done. So there is a time and a place to have the debate and there is a time for just getting on with it.
 
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mjheathcote

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Yes they are looking after their own but only in the literal sense and only to be able to do their job as requested.
The post title is really very unfair and misleading.
Sorry don't think it is.
Non are single parent families.
All have partners either not working or normally working from home, so childcare isn't a problem.
And all that are 'keyworkers' are part time teaching assistants, who, for the last couple of months have not even been working, on full pay! But now qualify for their kids to have a full education to the end of the school year, the remaining excluded.
There is no reason why they can't educate the whole year group split into two groups, in two separate sessions, as all have at least one parent either not working or working at home to look after the time when they aren't at school.
To make it worse, the school hit the send button on the email just as they ran out of the door for half term so they wouldn't receive any reply emails or telephone calls.
 
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lozcb

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Well for someone who left a Secondary School with búgger all qualifications bar a couple of worthless CSE certificates I don't really see it as a major problem.
As long as you can read and write understand numbers your halfway there.
I feel a lot more emphasis should be put into proper apprenticeship training programs and then Countries can start moving forwards.
Otherwise we will end up with more Boris Johnson's.
Otherwise we will end up with more Boris Johnson's

Less Tony Blairs and Corbyns would be better