Stradale brakes and clutch

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Shabs

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Hi guys,

My search for a Stradale continues but I seem to struggle to find anybody who can advise on the expected life and cost to change the brakes and clutch.

HROwen advised today that a new set of front discs and pads would cost £12,500. There was a long silent pause on my end after hearing this. I have subsequently validated that this is actually correct!

Anyway, it seems the Ferrari and Porsche guys get really good value out of a bunch called SICOM that refurbish worn Carbon Ceramics for roughly 30% of the price of new discs. Does anybody know if the same bunch do Maserati discs? Has anybody found viable alternatives to OEM? Or am I being paranoid and like Porsche, do the CCM discs last forever and you only need to worry if you track the car?

Help much appreciated

Marty
 
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Shabs said:
Or am I being paranoid and like Porsche, do the CCM discs last forever and you only need to worry if you track the car? Marty
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^^ yes! they will last years unless you do something really daft. The clutch wear is readable by a specialist workshop.

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Clutches will last circa 40k miles and upwards in the GT, maybe a bit lower on the Strad as it will be driven in RACE mode I suspect and thus wear will be higher.

If its on 35k miles and it original clutch, that would need to be catered for (£3k) in the price.

CCM discs, have no idea but as long as the milage is not over 100k miles I dont think it would be an issue.
 
StuartW

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I don't know about SICOM specifically but a similar company, Surface Transforms https://carbonceramicbrakes.squarespace.com/contact-us only refurbish their own CC discs and not those supplied as OEM, maybe SICOM are the same?

You can of course fit regular steel discs to a Stradale as fitted to the standard GTS but that is taking away one of the USPs of the Stradale.

Regarding the clutch, my car was the Maserati GB press car so was driven pretty hard, no doubt with lots of standing starts, and the clutch was changed just before I bought it. It was close to the end of it's life but not yet slipping, and had covered 20k miles so as Matt says, if it is driven sensibly the clutch should be good for up to 40k.

Good luck in your search and keep us posted with what you go for
 
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So Stu, whilst we are on the subject and you are the person who has had both, the CCD....massive difference over the underpowered GTS breaks or not?

Whist your at it, is the MC Strad worth the extra money of is it just trinkets?
 
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Conaero said:
So Stu, whilst we are on the subject and you are the person who has had both, the CCD....massive difference over the underpowered GTS breaks or not?

Whist your at it, is the MC Strad worth the extra money of is it just trinkets?
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Yes I'd like the answer to this as well?
 
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Firstly concerning the brakes, they are very different to the standard brakes. They have a considerably different feel, almost a dead wooden feel at first and they take a bit of getting used to, you also have to work quite hard to get them to work. But once you are used to them, they definitely perform better than the standard brakes and do give more confidence as it is such a heavy car to stop.

As to the question of whether the Stradale is worth the extra money, to me yes it is. I had a 2008 MC-S so compared to a 2013 Stradale, they are night and day but for what you are getting on a Stradale over a MC Sport - the brakes, the alcantara interior, the engine note, the styling (bonnet, brake vents, rear diffuser), the suspension and the number one thing being the gear change - I would say it is definitely worth the extra. Looking at the market now, a decent MC Sport from a main dealer with a warranty can be had for say £62k. I got mine with a new clutch, a fresh service, a front end respray due to a couple of stone chips and a one year MD warranty for £15k more than that and I was happy with that price.

I feel this is possibly one of the best Maseratis ever made for looks, performance, build quality & sound and I intend to keep it for many years.
 
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My stradale is on the original clutch, cars done 25k miles and the clutch is 31% worn. The specialist (Emblem) says don't need to worry until 65-70% worn, so at least another 25k miles left in mine yet, which I won't be doing for many years to come! Cheers tom
 
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Just to echo what Stuart said......

I had a 2009 GT/S MC which I ran for two years and one of the options I regret getting was the skyhook suspension!

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The Stradale as mentioned by Stuart is a great place to be and the ride is so much better than my old GT/S. The whole package lifts the car and does feel more special especially coupled with the sound. The gear change is quicker and seems smoother within the limitations of a single clutch system. The brakes are better but they still can't disguise the fact that it's a heavy car!

If you can afford one, I don't think you would regret making the change. Is it worth the extra money, only you can be the judge?

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Thank you guys. I am going to drive the one currently at HR Owen in London on thursday, the grey one. Picture above is essentially what I am after.

Next thing I will be after is how to extend the warranty :)
 
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Having had an GT-S and now have a Strad, they are night and day. The S was a good car, but the Strad is a great car. Much better drive all round. Better noise and way more involving gear change. Still not DCT smooth, but fabulous in a brutally involving way. I seriously considered selling the Stard and buying either McLaren 570GT or a late model $58, but having driven several of each type I opted to stick with the Strad. The Macca and Fezza felt strangely uninvolving, bit too Playstation.
 
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Shabs said:
Thank you guys. I am going to drive the one currently at HR Owen in London on thursday, the grey one. Picture above is essentially what I am after.

Next thing I will be after is how to extend the warranty :)
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It's a very well spec'ed car which they have had within the HR Owen group for a little while so there could be a deal to be had or maybe a good, extended warranty - good luck
 
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MikeyMaser said:
Nuvola have a nice one that's just come in:
http://www.nuvolalondon.com/cars-fo...ismo-mc-stradale-4-7-v8-mc-shift-2dr-coupe-4/

No pics yet!
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2 seater with only 8k miles! sounds great.

The stradale, IMHO (of course, biased) is more than the sum of its parts.

If you look at the part numbers of several bits and pieces, they are the same as the MC Shift, but the end result is so different. I think it has a lot do to with the ECU tuning that has radically changed the drive feeling, sound and urgency of the car. Just try driving along in 'race', and pop it in to 'sport'. It feels like a different car. I have no idea to be honest, if the 'sport' on the Stradale is the same as the 'sport' on the MC Shift. But am guessing they are. These cars have a little voodoo in there that makes them special.
 
StuartW

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That clutch wear does seem a little high but the wear reading is only an indication and not gospel. I've never heard of a brake wear reading % though, is that discs or pads they are referring to?
 
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Outrun is right! Go for the 2 seater!

The only way to measure brake wear on a Stradale is to weigh the disks, and of course measure the pads. The disks do not get thinner, they just loose mass. I can see no way that the diagnostics would measure wear amount either, so I would guess the mechanic has just "eyeballed" the pad thickness. Also, the clutch, that 31% wear sounds acceptable, if the car has seen a lot of city driving. Or maybe hooning?
 
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azapa said:
I can see no way that the diagnostics would measure wear amount either
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The NQS (instrument ECU) does have a brake wear estimate stored in it. The estimate is arrived at using an algorithm with inputs like the number and severity of braking incidents.
 
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voicey said:
The NQS (instrument ECU) does have a brake wear estimate stored in it. The estimate is arrived at using an algorithm with inputs like the number and severity of braking incidents.
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I stand corrected! thanks for the info.
 
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