Someone Talk Me Out Of This Please

rockits

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Agreed back. I seem to be a dying breed in a massive minority. Maybe they need to revise the definitions of sounds worlds in the English dictionary or remove them completely it seems.

Let me think of some that don't seem to exist much any more:
Morals, protocol, honesty, integrity, transparency, selflessness, honour, principles, gentleman, sympathetic, sympathy, generosity, truth. I am sure there are many more.

In return maybe we can expand the importance of some other words that seem to be more prevalent in today's society:
Greed, selfish, gluttonous, eagerness, dishonesty, lies, overzealous. I am sure there are many more.
 
Wack61

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Do you think it was a commission sale so he was duty bound to tell the owner he'd had a higher offer , still a **** thing to do even if he was instructed
 
rockits

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No, it was a stock car and owned by the dealer as I had already asked this so been confirmed.
 
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Sounds very disappointing (understatement).

I personally think the idea of legal action, or even the threat of it, probably is pointless. I also think arguing with them about whether you had a binding agreement, or the beginnings of a deal that would be acceptable if all the pre-conditions were met could just lead you down multiple rabbit holes

However, making sure they know how pi$$ed off you are, and that you intend to leave reviews for them on sites such as Yelp, TrustPilot, Facebook, etc, etc... may lead them to at least offer to compensate you for the wasted time and effort?

If it doesn’t at least you know you did the honourable thing and told them you were going to rip them pieces on social media before you went ahead and did it!
 
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It is very disappointing.

I have just called the dealer and had a chat with him. I needed to understand what had gone wrong and why this could have happened. Just to help me improve and learn from any of my mistakes. He interpreted and presumed things about me that are not correct. Instead of picking up the phone and asking or clarifying he took a quick snap judgement or view. By his own admission he shoots from the hip. Another buyer came along (Rob-PH Forum Member) possibly with a more lucrative deal...possibly not. Greenside doesn't care about the cars or people at all. Just sell it to the highest bidder or the first to put the money in his account. Regardless of anything or anyone. I'm different so can't understand that. He is a trader and ex-broker or similar I believe. He just loves doing deals and doesn't care much about anyone or anything I suspect.

I would have preferred the courtesy of a call to say, listen I've had another offer and if you still want the car you need to pay x or complete the sale in x hours/days. I could have said yes or no. I had none of this so had no choice. There is not much I could have done any different as I didn't know there was an issue and had no idea Rob was now enquiring on the car. I was blissfully unaware whilst believing all was progressing and hoping to be the owner of a very nice TVR in the next week.

I have also had a message from Rob the new owner and guy that bought it. He is a PH forum member and posted on my thread on there last night to confirm. Rob has 'kindly' offered me the car for £10k more than I had already done a deal for with Greenside. Obviously a gesture......but not one that is going to work as the car is just not worth that kind of money. It would be hard to spend 40% more on the same car just for the sake of a few days. It seems Rob is losing money on the Sagaris he has traded in to Greenside as only bought it in July so would like to offset that if I took the car. It means I take Rob's hit on the Sagaris which just isn't going to work.

That is what is even more odd. James @ Greenside got spooked and nervous on the Chimaera as it is modified and in a very narrow market so wanted to get shot. Then sells it to someone but has to take a 2005 Sagaris with 6k miles on the clock in part ex meaning he likely paid out £50k-£60k or more to do the deal. So doing a deal on a car that is IMHO at the top of its curve and possibly likely to fall. Also in possibly just as narrow market as the modified Chimaera. Not a big market for an almost £100k Sagaris as none of them are selling and the range is maybe £60k-£100k. He could have done a deal with me at £25k cash as he had originally offered. Weird.

Rob was very quick to do a deal then collect the car from James. That appealed to Greenside obviously even though we had already done our deal. Even James commented that he found it odd that he had hardly any interest in the 450 for ages. Then all of a sudden I come along to buy the car then a 2nd person comes along only a day later suddenly to buy the car quickly. He would have been happy to continue with our deal if Rob had not have come along. A little suspect. Maybe sometimes the less said on public forums the better. It was well known on PH that I was looking to buy this car. I had lots of discussion with the lovely chap (Mac) who spent a crazy amount hours and £22k upgrading/building it from the base/original car. He owned it for about 13 years from 2004>2017.

Then I'm chatting to James @ Greenside about how much he would sell the Sagaris for. He just wants shot of it as doesn't deal in TVR's and is just as nervous about the Sag as the Chim. He said well you wouldn't want that would you. Almost suggesting I haven't got the money or too far down the food chain. Even though Rob had his Sag financed. I said to James @ Greenside well if it is cheap enough I might think about it. I could spend anything up to £100k if I wanted. Changed his tune then and the deal bell rang. I couldn't deal with anyone I can't trust or endear myself to. I would advise all to be careful dealing with James @ Greenside cars for the reasons above. I wouldn't want anyone else to be used or lose time or money with a similar scenario.

I think I have possibly been a bit too naive, trusting and too slow although not sure how much quicker I could have been. I don't know what else to think or say. Things happen for a reason just not sure what this one is yet.

Lessons learnt and sorry for the long posts. If it can help anyone for the future it has to be a good thing.
 
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rockits said:
It is very disappointing.

I have just called the dealer and had a chat with him. I needed to understand what had gone wrong and why this could have happened. Just to help me improve and learn from any of my mistakes. He interpreted and presumed things about me that are not correct. Instead of picking up the phone and asking or clarifying he took a quick snap judgement or view. By his own admission he shoots from the hip. Another buyer came along (Rob-PH Forum Member) possibly with a more lucrative deal...possibly not. Greenside doesn't care about the cars or people at all. Just sell it to the highest bidder or the first to put the money in his account. Regardless of anything or anyone. I'm different so can't understand that. He is a trader and ex-broker or similar I believe. He just loves doing deals and doesn't care much about anyone or anything I suspect.

I would have preferred the courtesy of a call to say, listen I've had another offer and if you still want the car you need to pay x or complete the sale in x hours/days. I could have said yes or no. I had none of this so had no choice. There is not much I could have done any different as I didn't know there was an issue and had no idea Rob was now enquiring on the car. I was blissfully unaware whilst believing all was progressing and hoping to be the owner of a very nice TVR in the next week.

I have also had a message from Rob the new owner and guy that bought it. He is a PH forum member and posted on my thread on there last night to confirm. Rob has 'kindly' offered me the car for £10k more than I had already done a deal for with Greenside. Obviously a gesture......but not one that is going to work as the car is just not worth that kind of money. It would be hard to spend 40% more on the same car just for the sake of a few days. It seems Rob is losing money on the Sagaris he has traded in to Greenside as only bought it in July so would like to offset that if I took the car. It means I take Rob's hit on the Sagaris which just isn't going to work.

That is what is even more odd. James @ Greenside got spooked and nervous on the Chimaera as it is modified and in a very narrow market so wanted to get shot. Then sells it to someone but has to take a 2005 Sagaris with 6k miles on the clock in part ex meaning he likely paid out £50k-£60k or more to do the deal. So doing a deal on a car that is IMHO at the top of its curve and possibly likely to fall. Also in possibly just as narrow market as the modified Chimaera. Not a big market for an almost £100k Sagaris as none of them are selling and the range is maybe £60k-£100k. He could have done a deal with me at £25k cash as he had originally offered. Weird.

Rob was very quick to do a deal then collect the car from James. That appealed to Greenside obviously even though we had already done our deal. Even James commented that he found it odd that he had hardly any interest in the 450 for ages. Then all of a sudden I come along to buy the car then a 2nd person comes along only a day later suddenly to buy the car quickly. He would have been happy to continue with our deal if Rob had not have come along. A little suspect. Maybe sometimes the less said on public forums the better. It was well known on PH that I was looking to buy this car. I had lots of discussion with the lovely chap (Mac) who spent a crazy amount hours and £22k upgrading/building it from the base/original car. He owned it for about 13 years from 2004>2017.

Then I'm chatting to James @ Greenside about how much he would sell the Sagaris for. He just wants shot of it as doesn't deal in TVR's and is just as nervous about the Sag as the Chim. He said well you wouldn't want that would you. Almost suggesting I haven't got the money or too far down the food chain. Even though Rob had his Sag financed. I said to James @ Greenside well if it is cheap enough I might think about it. I could spend anything up to £100k if I wanted. Changed his tune then and the deal bell rang. I couldn't deal with anyone I can't trust or endear myself to. I would advise all to be careful dealing with James @ Greenside cars for the reasons above. I wouldn't want anyone else to be used or lose time or money with a similar scenario.

I think I have possibly been a bit too naive, trusting and too slow although not sure how much quicker I could have been. I don't know what else to think or say. Things happen for a reason just not sure what this one is yet.

Lessons learnt and sorry for the long posts. If it can help anyone for the future it has to be a good thing.
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The reason is you’re a nice person and he’s not. He has to live with that everyday. poor sod. In my experience, something even more enticing will come along fairly shortly.
 
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rockits said:
Well back on topic ;)

I took the leap and agreed to take the very nice TVR Chimaera 450 Turbo over the weekend. Was just waiting for the dealer to pop in to me Thursday morning to look at my Chimaera and maybe the 4200 to fund the deal possibly or cash if not. Very pleased and although a leap for me it makes sense for such a lovely example. Really looking forward to it and over the moon.

Until.........I get a call late last night from James @ Greenside Cars to tell me he is sorry but he has sold it to someone else. Dirty little car dealer sh1tbag......sorry Dicky not all dealers are like this of course ;)

I'm pretty p1ssed as have put goodness knows how many hours into this....possibly 30/40 or likely many more hours! I just find out tonight it was bought by a very nice chap on PH. He didn't know I had agreed to buy it or I was looking at it as hadn't been on PH. He has offered to talk to me tomorrow and has offered me the car if I really wanted it.

Close your ears Dicky! Why are 'some' car dealers such lying, cheating, unscrupulous low life, immoral people that would do anything for money. Apparently this guy called after our deal was done and had offered more unaware of my deal. Car dealer thinks.....well screw the previous guy and his deal. I can make a little bit more cash here.

Currently very angry, upset and disappointed :too_sad:
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rockits said:
It is very disappointing.

I have just called the dealer and had a chat with him. I needed to understand what had gone wrong and why this could have happened. Just to help me improve and learn from any of my mistakes. He interpreted and presumed things about me that are not correct. Instead of picking up the phone and asking or clarifying he took a quick snap judgement or view. By his own admission he shoots from the hip. Another buyer came along (Rob-PH Forum Member) possibly with a more lucrative deal...possibly not. Greenside doesn't care about the cars or people at all. Just sell it to the highest bidder or the first to put the money in his account. Regardless of anything or anyone. I'm different so can't understand that. He is a trader and ex-broker or similar I believe. He just loves doing deals and doesn't care much about anyone or anything I suspect.

I would have preferred the courtesy of a call to say, listen I've had another offer and if you still want the car you need to pay x or complete the sale in x hours/days. I could have said yes or no. I had none of this so had no choice. There is not much I could have done any different as I didn't know there was an issue and had no idea Rob was now enquiring on the car. I was blissfully unaware whilst believing all was progressing and hoping to be the owner of a very nice TVR in the next week.

I have also had a message from Rob the new owner and guy that bought it. He is a PH forum member and posted on my thread on there last night to confirm. Rob has 'kindly' offered me the car for £10k more than I had already done a deal for with Greenside. Obviously a gesture......but not one that is going to work as the car is just not worth that kind of money. It would be hard to spend 40% more on the same car just for the sake of a few days. It seems Rob is losing money on the Sagaris he has traded in to Greenside as only bought it in July so would like to offset that if I took the car. It means I take Rob's hit on the Sagaris which just isn't going to work.

That is what is even more odd. James @ Greenside got spooked and nervous on the Chimaera as it is modified and in a very narrow market so wanted to get shot. Then sells it to someone but has to take a 2005 Sagaris with 6k miles on the clock in part ex meaning he likely paid out £50k-£60k or more to do the deal. So doing a deal on a car that is IMHO at the top of its curve and possibly likely to fall. Also in possibly just as narrow market as the modified Chimaera. Not a big market for an almost £100k Sagaris as none of them are selling and the range is maybe £60k-£100k. He could have done a deal with me at £25k cash as he had originally offered. Weird.

Rob was very quick to do a deal then collect the car from James. That appealed to Greenside obviously even though we had already done our deal. Even James commented that he found it odd that he had hardly any interest in the 450 for ages. Then all of a sudden I come along to buy the car then a 2nd person comes along only a day later suddenly to buy the car quickly. He would have been happy to continue with our deal if Rob had not have come along. A little suspect. Maybe sometimes the less said on public forums the better. It was well known on PH that I was looking to buy this car. I had lots of discussion with the lovely chap (Mac) who spent a crazy amount hours and £22k upgrading/building it from the base/original car. He owned it for about 13 years from 2004>2017.

Then I'm chatting to James @ Greenside about how much he would sell the Sagaris for. He just wants shot of it as doesn't deal in TVR's and is just as nervous about the Sag as the Chim. He said well you wouldn't want that would you. Almost suggesting I haven't got the money or too far down the food chain. Even though Rob had his Sag financed. I said to James @ Greenside well if it is cheap enough I might think about it. I could spend anything up to £100k if I wanted. Changed his tune then and the deal bell rang. I couldn't deal with anyone I can't trust or endear myself to. I would advise all to be careful dealing with James @ Greenside cars for the reasons above. I wouldn't want anyone else to be used or lose time or money with a similar scenario.

I think I have possibly been a bit too naive, trusting and too slow although not sure how much quicker I could have been. I don't know what else to think or say. Things happen for a reason just not sure what this one is yet.

Lessons learnt and sorry for the long posts. If it can help anyone for the future it has to be a good thing.
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Shame mate but as you said a dealer is a dealer. I spend time dealing with people and I always say when they ask "is it still for sale". "Yes it is until someone put the money into my account" and maybe he acted quicker than you? If someone rings me up and someone has agreed verbally on a car I give them the chance to offer a higher price for the car and then you get into a bidding war, that soon sorts out the serious buyers from the timewasters. Another one will come along mate.
 
rockits

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Thanks Phil. Agreed. I'm over it now. Just a shame people lie or aren't so honest.

I shouldn't have mentioned anything about it on PH and kept it quiet. Rob told me that he didn't look at the forum and had no idea I was buying the car. I have to believe him as innocent until proven guilty. Seems a bit odd and coincidental though that someone moves so quick after I had displayed my interest in buying the car. I couldn't do anything like this if this was ever the case. Even if it was just be honest about it and I would be fine with that. Could indeed by a total coincidence that some one with a 2005 £80k Sagaris decides on a Monday morning that they want to trade in the Sagaris and buy a certain 2000 £25k Chimaera :D

Chapter over, lessons learnt.....I'll move onwards and upwards ;)
 
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You might have had a lucky escape; if that’s how he conducts business imagine what his after-sales support is like. I feel for you though.

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I think the seller is one of those dealers that has managed to make money through easier times like many others. If the market changes forever like I think it might I think he might find he will struggle to survive medium term.

He wasn't a car man and he didn't know much about cars that was for sure. He just buys and sells a product....a box....doesn't matter what it is or to or from it

It sounds terrible but I would love there to be much harder markets. I'd be OK as many of us on here would. Many others wouldn't be so. The deserved need to make some hay while the less deserved take a hit for a while.
 
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These days it can be a disadvantage being a 'Gentleman'...........But don't let that stop you. We are a dying breed!! As others have mentioned in earlier comments, it sounds like a lucky escape!
 
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@rockits - I just checked with Mrs Crud, who in a past life was a solicitor (or a lawyer, as our increasingly Americanis(z)ed language would have it), She reckons that without a contract or at least having paid a deposit you'd be wasting everyone's time to take any legal advice. As you said, chalk it up to experience, and as others have said console yourself with the possibility that you may have had a narrow escape. :)
 
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He was wrong to give you ‘his word’ if that’s how it happened. Deposit secures a car, always been that way. I often have multiple parties interested in a car and I tell people if that’s the case that it can be secured with a deposit.

Prospective purchasers often say they’re 99%, or ‘just about there’ and then disappear off the face of the earth.
 
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dickygrace said:
He was wrong to give you ‘his word’ if that’s how it happened. Deposit secures a car, always been that way. I often have multiple parties interested in a car and I tell people if that’s the case that it can be secured with a deposit.

Prospective purchasers often say they’re 99%, or ‘just about there’ and then disappear off the face of the earth.
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Just to put a different spin on it, after agreeing a deal, and the dealer then rang me saying he'd had a better offer, I would be thinking yeah , of course you have, stop trying it on, unfortunately here it appears true, can't win them all.
 
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