PZAS (P-zero appreciation society)

mowlas

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I’m not a PZero spokesperson and everyone will spend their hard earned money on products they believe in. But I do think the current generation of PZeros, the PZ4, is markedly different to the previous generations. This comparative review of the new Pirelli vs. the Michelin rates them very closely, but favours the Michelin by a small margin:

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In my experience, the biggest problem people face is deciding between 2 or 3 models. Here's an example. Let's say you're looking for a
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The point being that some people can be closed minded to the possibility that €4 billion company might just have been able to innovate and improve its products to the point where it no longer deserves the schoolboy pile ons and over-exuberant p!sstakes.
 
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mowlas said:
…The point being that some people can be closed minded to the possibility that €4 billion company might just have been able to innovate and improve its products to the point where it no longer deserves the schoolboy pile ons and over-exuberant p!sstakes.
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Your sensitivity to others’ opinions and the way they are being expressed is marked by your regular references to them. You seem to be ignoring the fact that these are mostly based on the personal experience of the posters; they are at liberty to voice this as they please. Scroll on if you don’t like the Pirelli-bashing. In my view it’s well-deserved - I’d rather choose from the many (better, IMO) alternatives than run the risk of experiencing the poor grip provided by Pirelli tyres again.

To your point - shouldn’t the €4bn company have already innovated and improved its product so that the tyres experienced by many of us in very recent years have not been such a pile of ****?
 
mowlas

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MAF260 said:
Your sensitivity to others’ opinions and the way they are being expressed is marked by your regular references to them. You seem to be ignoring the fact that these are mostly based on the personal experience of the posters; they are at liberty to voice this as they please. Scroll on if you don’t like the Pirelli-bashing. In my view it’s well-deserved - I’d rather choose from the many (better, IMO) alternatives than run the risk of experiencing the poor grip provided by Pirelli tyres again.

To your point - shouldn’t the €4bn company have already innovated and improved its product so that the tyres experienced by many of us in very recent years have not been such a pile of ****?
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@MAF260 reading your reply did make me smile with the word 'ironic' ringing in my ears.

You seem to be somewhat sensitive to my 'sensitivity' to the point where you are effectively telling me to shut up if I don't like the opinions of others on, of all places, a discussion board. It's statement of the blindingly obvious that everyone can express their views, and that includes me. You seem to imply that my personal experience with the latest generation of these tyres, which I have detailed, doesn't matter as much as those of those with experiences that mirror your own. My sensitivity was with, as I stated very transparently, the behaviour of 'piling on'. It's a group/group-think behaviour that shuts off possibility and conversation.

And you prove my last point perfectly well, that there seems to be a resistance to accept the fact that the company may well have improved its product in its latest generation, your complaint seems to a novel one of "well why did they take so long to improve; they shouldn't have made bad products in the first place".

Sorry if you don't like this comment, but as you say, you are always free to ignore it as you are free to buy products you have faith in.
 
CatmanV2

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Blimey. Wish I hadn't started the thread now. It was only meant as a joke as my experience of the P-Zeros fitted to my car is quite unpleasant.

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:) seems you are a very sensitive soul indeed. Bless you.

Shall we deal with some facts rather than your assumptions or incorrect statements?

  1. I haven't told you to shut up directly, effectively, or otherwise.
  2. I haven't suggested you cannot express your views. Your own words attack the views of others as a 'pile on' or 'over-exuberant p1sstake' - isn't this the free speech we agree about?
  3. I haven't implied, stated or otherwise that your experience is in any way better or inferior to mine or others. You certainly appear to get very upset by those who aren't Pirelli fanboys - relax, it's OK for people to like different things.
  4. I have voiced both good and bad personal experiences of Pirelli tyres. On balance I won't buy them again based on previous experience. It's extremely common for many/most to not purchase again from a supplier or manufacturer where they have had a poor personal experience. Hardly novel.
  5. I neither like or dislike your post, it's just your opinion which we all know are like arseholes - everyone has one ;)


Sorry if you don't like my comments. As you say, you are always free to ignore it as you are free to buy products you have faith in.
 
mowlas

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DLax69 said:
Is "best wishes to you" there equivalent to "bless your heart" here...?
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I suppose as in the US in can have multiple meanings.

I was sincere in wishing the forum member well as a parting sentiment from the conversation and I think/hope that’s how it was interpreted.
 
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mowlas said:
I suppose as in the US in can have multiple meanings.

I was sincere in wishing the forum member well as a parting sentiment from the conversation and I think/hope that’s how it was interpreted.
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assumed you were...just trying to attempt to maybe insert a little jocularity back in here, a tad. We are, after all, talking about...round rubber thingies.
 
spkennyuk

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mowlas said:
Hi to the PZero detractors, I did go out this afternoon on the icy roads. 40 mile round trip from north west London to Brent Cross, Hampstead Heath, Royal Free Hospital and various stops in Kensington, Hammersmith and then home with a full tank of petrol after filling up. Lots of steep hills and descents. Apart from engaging I.C.E. mode, drove the car with little adjustment - she drove beautifully.

Those who know my posting, know I’m a mild mannered forum member but honestly i found some of your PZero p!sstakes laughable and irritating in equal measure because I do hate pile-ons.

Anyhow the PZeros were just fine and my QP was as pleasurable to drive as in any normal day’s driving. As I posted earlier, it may be that I have the new gen PZeros or whatever, but I really don’t care about making the case for them anymore to the piler onners…

Took some pics along the way for the doubters… the last pic cornering a regular bend at my normal speed…
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Ive posted my experience over 20 years with Pzeros and their flaws on 3 different cars. More recent incarnations of the PZeros may be much better. I also fully accept the tyres peform differntley on different cars and different climates. However i would rather not take the chance of getting bellow standard tyres for premium money on a UK based car again. Just my personal choice.

I am a little bemused by photos taken at 17 mph in the cold damp conditions as proof that the modern versions are fine in all weather conditions. I would however keep both hands on the wheel just incase.

Im sure the passenger taking the photos would have been able to avoid the blurry picture after all if they felt safe and secure with the traction and grip provided by Pzeros at 17 mph on a straight road.

No intent to pile on. People will always buy tyres on their previous experience with the brand / model. Thats just the way it is.
 
DLax69

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Two things can be true, at the same time: I can like @mowlas (I do!) and not want P-Zeroes anywhere near my cars...like, not even on the cars that might be driving anywhere near my cars...
 
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mowlas

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spkennyuk said:
Ive posted my experience over 20 years with Pzeros and their flaws on 3 different cars.

I am a little bemused by photos taken at 17 mph in the cold damp conditions as proof that the modern versions are fine in all weather conditions.
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I’m sure many of us here have extensive experience of driving with various brands. I’ve driven around 90,000 miles in my QP over the last 14 years - enjoyed almost every mile.

I haven’t and wouldn’t say that any PZeros are “fine in all weather conditions”, just that the current gen may not be as terrible as people have perhaps experienced in the past.

As for picking out one ‘17 mph’ photo out of all that I’ve shared, including a link to an external review… well, at one time or another, we are all guilty of…


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I really don’t think I’m going to comment any more on this tyred and well worn subject any more.
 
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spkennyuk

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mowlas said:
I’m sure many of us here have extensive experience of driving with various brands. I’ve driven around 90,000 miles in my QP over the last 14 years - enjoyed almost every mile.

I haven’t and wouldn’t say that any PZeros are “fine in all weather conditions”, just that the current gen may not be as terrible as people have perhaps experienced in the past.

As for picking out one ‘17 mph’ photo out of all that I’ve shared, including a link to an external review… well, at one time or another, we are all guilty of…


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I really don’t think I’m going to comment any more on this tyred and well worn subject any more.
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Actually i looked at the photo you pointed out yourself. The last picture .
So i guess the evidence i believe is based more on the facts that you presented as against the facts or evidence you choose to ignore.

You said it :

"Took some pics along the way for the doubters… the last pic cornering a regular bend at my normal speed… "

I simply looked what your normal cornering speed was and also looked what speed you were doing while taking pictures on a straight road both 17 mph. I only passed comment on that post not your previous posts.

I have passed comment before regarding tyre test reviews and how flawed they are. These are all done with brand new tyres and maybe a days testing. Real world use of said tyres is 99% of the time they are part worn so a more accurate review is only possible at say 75% , 50% and 25% tread remaining. The reviewers would certainly learn more and give a fairer report about all weather performance, tyre wear and run out issues/ performance drop off.

People are always going to have differing opinions based on their own experience of a brand or product. Pzeros are the marmite of the tyre world. People either like them or loathe them with not much inbetween.

I am sure we can agree to differ.
 
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midlifecrisis said:
I like Dunlops.
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I like Black Forest Gateau which comes in a variety of sizes and profiles depending on whether you shop at Tesco, Sainsbury's, or Waitrose. It's not in the least chewy and there's no cords to stick in your teeth, but each to their own ;)
 
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Phil H said:
I like Black Forest Gateau which comes in a variety of sizes and profiles depending on whether you shop at Tesco, Sainsbury's, or Waitrose. It's not in the least chewy and there's no cords to stick in your teeth, but each to their own ;)
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No,no, no no. You're wrong.
Chocolate Fudge Cake is the only decent cake, slightly warmed with ice cream.
 
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