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reservoirfrog
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" the move has generated a backlash amoung some drivers"..............that would be every one I guess.
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Frank , 2 massers on the drive 2 mercs ( and a van needed for me to earn a living ) of course NO petrol , or ridiculously high petrol cost is the end of the world , as i know it , unfortunately not in a profession where i can revert back to a trades bike , weakly mileage and sheer weight means i would need a back like a donkey just to pull the trailers needed, are we going backwards and gonna end up like the indians and chinese , where you carry your whole family and the kitchen sink (oh and the mandatory basketed chickens ) on a moped
Adam hope you got the moped catergory on your license
regards loz
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...of course Loz...as a rural dweller and moving between work locations....makes life impossible as we know it.............how much are we prepared to modify how we live and work though?
Mopeds are no fun when you've rain 365 days of years....................
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Mopeds are no fun when you've rain 365 days of years....................
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NickP
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That is utter nonsense, they all contain additives these days, you are paying for higher octane..
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I like to think I have a more balance view 
...(or maybe it is blind optimism, or maybe just denial)...but here is what I think:
- Oil is not about to run out...there are new discoveries being made on quite a regular basis,
yes it will be more difficult and possibly dearer to get out of the ground, but it will still be available.
- The unrest/conflicts going on will result in the leaders being deposed and new non-dictatorial governments running happier countries.
- The UK will introduce a petrol price stabilization scheme...meaning when oil prices rise, the tax we pay for petrol falls and vice versa...
- The US$ rallies and commodity and Oil prices fall.
...(or maybe it is blind optimism, or maybe just denial)...but here is what I think:- Oil is not about to run out...there are new discoveries being made on quite a regular basis,
yes it will be more difficult and possibly dearer to get out of the ground, but it will still be available.
- The unrest/conflicts going on will result in the leaders being deposed and new non-dictatorial governments running happier countries.
- The UK will introduce a petrol price stabilization scheme...meaning when oil prices rise, the tax we pay for petrol falls and vice versa...
- The US$ rallies and commodity and Oil prices fall.
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Here on Arran fuel is already at £1.41 p Ltr 95 ron unleaded and diesel is £1.44 ! It's been over a £1.00 since before I moved here back in 2004. If I go to a supermarket pump in Glasgow I can save £12-13 quid a tank in the Maserati & £13-14 in the XC90 or Landrover.
Think your selves lucky lads.
Oh the ferry costs £45.00 for the car & £6.00 per adult each way. The crossing is 50mins (12 miles) each way, dearer than the channel by a long shot.
On the upside it keeps the rifraf and thieving sumbags away so car & house insurance is at least 75% cheeper than Glasgow and London.
Think your selves lucky lads.
Oh the ferry costs £45.00 for the car & £6.00 per adult each way. The crossing is 50mins (12 miles) each way, dearer than the channel by a long shot.
On the upside it keeps the rifraf and thieving sumbags away so car & house insurance is at least 75% cheeper than Glasgow and London.
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Pibbow
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One other point that I'm sure most of you are aware of is fuel prices in Noth America. I usualy stay in British Columbia for the Ski season and out there I have a GMC Yukon (Huge V8 4X4) Ihave no idea how big the tank is or it's mpg as it only costs $60.00CND (£38.00) to fil up and my neighbours who live in Calgary complain about the cost out in the back country where we are!
While they consume Oil at these prices we have no chance of changing things.
While they consume Oil at these prices we have no chance of changing things.
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democracy or dictator you normally get shafted by either one, the only difference is that in a democracy the politians smile when they stab the electorate in the back.......ahhhhh that's better...
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Depends what you mean by the word 'additive'. Bit like saying all cakes contain 'ingredients' so why pay more for a Fortnums cake than a pikey Spar one. I'm with Dem on this, providing you use the right expensive fuel. Shell V-Max and BP Ultimate for me thanks where possible.
All 95RON fuel comes from the local depot. Doesn't matter what brand the station is, the fuel is from the local depot, so BP sell Shell 95 and Esso sell BP etc. It's only when you get to the 'Super' grades of fuel that the companies refine and sell their own, and Shell's is the best in terms of performance and quaility, much like Mobil One can't be beaten as fully synth. Their chemical additives to boost the octane number and detergents are superior as they have done more rersearch for longer, simple as that that. So you pay for that, for the increased transport costs of moving your own fuel from your own refineries to your own staions and for the R&D that has gone in. Tesco 'super' uses ethanol to boost the research octane number (RON) closer to 100, it doesn't have a great thermal capacity but it is cheap. Using a more complex and pricey substitute will allow you engine ckleaning and lubricating benefits, but then you pay more.
If you are lucky to have a car with a knock sensor (which advances or retards ignition), then the higher octane reading wil boost performance (as your fuel can be compressed more before it ignites generating more power). Even without, the fuel is better quailty and anecdotally people generally report better economy and sometimes performance. All the cars get 98 except the poor old VW.
All octane is, is an 8 carbon chain hydrocarbon (1 methane (household gas), 2 ethane, 3 propane (LPG), 4 butane (lighters), 5 pentane, 6 hexane, 7 heptane, 8 octane) and what we use for our engines happens to be predominantly octane just due to it's boiling point and reactivity. The Reserch Octane Number (RON) describes, in terms of a percentage, what the ratio of octane to heptane would be to get that specific level of retardation. So 98RON is the equivalent of 98% octane and 2% heptane. RON isn't the energy content of the fuel, it's the fuel's tendency to burn in a controlled way rather than exploding in an uncontrolled way. Where the octane number is raised by blending in ethanol a-la Tesco and other cheap 'super' fuel's, energy content per volume is reduced. So you get your increased resistance to detonation (more power per stroke) but a lower energy output than a decent fuel would have. A net win then, but still not as good as Shell or BP fuel.
If anyone cares. Slow day and been to the pub for lunch.
If you can't be bothered to read it, it basically says 'you pay for what you get'
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