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NickP

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Indeed it does, is Lewis Hamilton therefore liable for any damage he does to his F1 car next season?
 

BennyD

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Personally, I think Piper is the villain of the piece. If he has a fragile car like that and he lets someone out in it with the intention of driving it hard for the journalistic value it affords and it goes bang, he should say 'bollox', get it fixed and carry on. If he was using it as an opportunity to get publicity for selling it, and banking £2000 for the privilege, that is the risk he ran. I think it is churlish in the extreme for Piper to financially ruin someone because his little scheme blew up in his face. W*nker. Stinking rich w*nker.
 
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Sets a very interesting precedent for the Le Mans Classic and Goodwood. We could be seeing the demise of historic racing as 'Millionaire Owners' start to look at their 'investments' as a source of money for repairs and drivers have to cherry pick which cars to take on.

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Damon
 

Phil H

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Sets a very interesting precedent for the Le Mans Classic and Goodwood. We could be seeing the demise of historic racing as 'Millionaire Owners' start to look at their 'investments' as a source of money for repairs and drivers have to cherry pick which cars to take on.

Sad

Damon

I agree Damon, the Genie's now out of the bottle.

There was a spat between the BBC and Adrian Hamilton a few years ago when his C-Type was damaged during a Top Gear demo and I'm sure there will be other instances, so this is not unheard of.

The Piper/Hales case differs in that a private individual was sued and the court costs apparently take his total bill to the point of personal bankruptcy. The repercussions that could have for future competitions, ‘social' gatherings such as FoS or Revival, or even pre-purchase test drives, could be very significant. Such drivers could probably operate under the guise of limited companies, but that could bring it's own problems.

I don't think I want the Stig's job now.

Or do I?


PH
 

Emtee

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Excuse the pun, but it seems to me it was an accident waiting to happen somewhere along the way.

My impression is that most owners of such exotics (Piper being an apparent exception) understand that in owning such cars they should be driven, rather than festering in a private mausoleum. Classic racing is a common route and experienced drivers (which Hales is irrespective of being a motoring journalist) are entrusted to take the wheel on not much more than their reputation and a Gentleman's handshake. It's implicit that should the car break, the owner picks up the tab. It's regarded as "going with the territory". Racing these cars and allowing them to be tracked for magazine pieces does also enhance the cars pedigree, so there is a financial incentive for the owner also. It scratches both itches and I'm sure it will continue to in the vast majority of cases - Goodwood, Classic Le Mans, etc, etc.

From what I can tell this was not the case here however, but rather a similarly vague "you bend it, you mend it" agreement. If this was indeed the case then Hales was a muppet for not fully clarifying the terms. Comments posted on PH referring the the court transcripts seem to show a very muddled agreement as to what Hales should or shouldn't have done whist behind the wheel, particularly important given the car in question is renowned for lunching it's engine.

I have to say my sympathies do lie with Hales, with Piper coming across as someone only looking to improve the value of an asset before shifting it on, whilst in the meantime covering his @rse should any failures occur, but if the agreement was based around "you bend it, you mend it", Hales should have put adequate cover in place or walked away.

I hope the fund being put in place takes the burden off Hales, and perhaps this case will at least serve to clarify those occasions where a Gentleman's agreement is not enough.