Maserati NLA & Backorder Parts

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Zep said:
Believe it or not, there isn’t seperate bearing in there, the outer race is part of the body and the inner of the hub. The hub itself is formed over at the to prevent dismantling and this is the part which is magnetised for the sensor ring.

The same for many F cars and the Coupe / GS. I expect Ferrari / Maserati own the IP for the design so an order direct to SKF would be rebuffed.
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Forgive my ignorance but if they are required for Ferraris (and the failure rate is equally bad - my 2013 GT with 25k miles has had both fronts done)). Surely there will be a lot more owners complaining. Or is there an alternative Ferrari part no? (and price... (Comments about Ferrari/Mas spare part prices not withstanding).

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Sprout said:
Forgive my ignorance but if they are required for Ferraris (and the failure rate is equally bad - my 2013 GT with 25k miles has had both fronts done)). Surely there will be a lot more owners complaining. Or is there an alternative Ferrari part no? (and price... (Comments about Ferrari/Mas spare part prices not withstanding).

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It’s not the same part on F cars, but they are made the same way. This is a 599 wheel bearing:

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It looks the same but they aren’t interchangeable from what I can work out. As for whether they fail at the same rate, I’ve not checked, but fezzas tend to do less miles I suspect so have less failures.
 
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Surely a group buy between eurospares, sportsitalia, formula dynamics (USA) could justify a a reputable reverse engineering effort.
 
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Zep said:
It’s not the same part on F cars, but they are made the same way. This is a 599 wheel bearing:

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It looks the same but they aren’t interchangeable from what I can work out. As for whether they fail at the same rate, I’ve not checked, but fezzas tend to do less miles I suspect so have less failures.
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Argh ok. Thanks for the info.

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There could be merit in contacting the Chinese manufacturer and encourage them to do a better job, afterall they are “nearly” there and have “overcome” any IP issues ;)
 
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Wouldn’t ever want to fit a Chinese copy, but if your car is pretty much a daily driver, what other choice would you have if you can’t physically buy one anywhere?
 
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Alex72 said:
Wouldn’t ever want to fit a Chinese copy, but if your car is pretty much a daily driver, what other choice would you have if you can’t physically buy one anywhere?
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Scrappers I suppose. Maybe it's time to snap up a wreck for parts.

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midlifecrisis said:
Would you go to the charity shop for underwear?

Likewise I wouldn't fit second hand parts. You don't know how long they last and there's no comeback for safety critical parts.
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To be fair there's some used parts I wouldn't worry about like a engine, gearbox or an axle but certainly not critical safety items.
One of my other concerns would be if the parts are already off is what kind of monkey removed them and how they have been handled unless from a specialist breaker who knows the cars as we've all seen butchered parts.
 
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lozcb said:
I should have thought the IP would have expired , would be worth checking , how you go about that im not sure , most IP last for 10 years usually from what i understand
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That’s sadly not how it works in automotive. The OEM usually pays for tooling and specific development/application which means the specific product is theirs only indefinitely. There is an EU block exemption meaning that suppliers can sell to the aftermarket directly but they have to pay a royalty fee which is determined by the OEM. It also doesn’t help the relationship with the OEM a great deal as they don’t like the thought of missing out on sales…

I would actually think it was SKF and not Maserati stopping the supply (most likely low volumes) so I wouldn’t think talking to them directly will help.
 
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Matt, I'm glad that you got a refund on those bearings from NY.
The bearings for 4200s are the same as Ferrari 360/ 430 and are interchangeable and still available. I've never worked on a GT/QP, but could someone check and see if the hub carrier bolt pattern is the same? If so, use a 4200/ Ferrari F430 hub with a wheel adapter to go from 5x108 pcd to 5x 114.3.
And no, there is no way to remanufacture the hub.
Spent last weekend rebuilding an engine for a friend, another guy there is restoring a 356c, and he was telling me that every part is available from Porsche.
Maserati makes it SO hard to love our cars. :(
 
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Oishi said:
Matt, I'm glad that you got a refund on those bearings from NY.
The bearings for 4200s are the same as Ferrari 360/ 430 and are interchangeable and still available. I've never worked on a GT/QP, but could someone check and see if the hub carrier bolt pattern is the same? If so, use a 4200/ Ferrari F430 hub with a wheel adapter to go from 5x108 pcd to 5x 114.3.
And no, there is no way to remanufacture the hub.
Spent last weekend rebuilding an engine for a friend, another guy there is restoring a 356c, and he was telling me that every part is available from Porsche.
Maserati makes it SO hard to love our cars. :(
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I concur - Porsche 928s are my lifelong automotive obsession. Let’s be honest - until recently it was the Porsche that Porsche would rather not talk about. And yet, more than 98% of the car is still available within 3 days from Stuttgart…
 
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