Maserati 4200 GT V8 Engine Warranted. Parts Spares

[Parisien]

A warranteed 4200 engine..............


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Maserati-4200...arts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4aa4c9d8f0







And just what do we think of his terms and conditions for the same........................hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm....



Please read the terms of the warranty carefully
Warranty Terms

I will repair or replace this engine free of charge should it fail in service due to an internal fault, subject to the following conditions:

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This engine is fitted to the car in accordance with the manufacturer's procedures.
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All of the engine ancillaries are in serviceable condition.
* The correct quantity and specification of fresh oil and a new oil filter are used.
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The cooling system is serviceable, free from leaks and the correct grade and concentration of antifreeze is present.
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New spark plugs of the correct specification are fitted.
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The engine is not allowed to fire, for the first time after fitting, until good oil pressure has been established.
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The engine is not run without the air filter fitted.
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The engine is used carefully (run in) for 1000 miles.
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The engine oil and filter are replaced at 1000 miles or 1 month, whichever occurs first.
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The engine oil and filter are changed at 6000 miles' intervals.

If you have any questions, please contact me on 07949 158239 or use the Ask Seller a Question facility.



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[Gullible]

friggin joker P ,and will never honour any warrenty.Expect its a verbal warrenty anyway and not worth the breath of air used to mention it.

 

[Duncanofengland]

I would like to state that I will honour any warranties that I give and that they are written.

I don't think that my T&C are unreasonable, no more than commonsense really.

You cannot seriously expect me to be out of pocket because some numpty knocks out the big ends because they've fired up the engine without any oil pressure, or warped the heads because they haven't checked the hose connections properly, etc.

You will also know that many Masarati engines are wrecked due to lack of servicing, or simply by ignoring warning lights.

So far I have not had a warranty claim for a engine (of any kind that I have sold), because I check the condition before I sell and my Terms and Conditions give the fitter a check list to work through.

Adam, I am surprised that as a 'senior member' you post such negative diatribe without any supporting evidence. Fortunately, you are only one in many thousand Maserati owners.

Duncan

 

[Emtee]

Hi Duncan and thanks for posting and for confirming your commitment to your warranty. Having had a hydro-locked engine recently on the forum, facilities such as you're offering are a valuable resource. Cheers, Miles.

 

[Duncanofengland]

I have, for the past 4 years, been supplying an exchange engine service for Ford Explorer owners, whose owners are faced either with an expensive service replacement engine from Ford, or taking a gamble with an engine from a breaker's yard. Most breaker's engines come with 14-28 days' warranty, whilst manufacturer's engines come with 12 months' warranty. I offer 12 months' warranty on 'known good' engines, to give the prospective purchaser some faith in my products.

Beside this, I have an enthusiasm for classic cars, such as Jensens and Maseratis, resulting in a workshop which has rather an eclectic mix of marques.

I have acquired a number of good, low mileage Maserati parts, including a 4200 engine and F1 gearbox with only 23500 miles covered. I offer these with the same warranty as I do the Ford Explorer engines.

I know, from conversations with engine rebuilders, that the prime reason for rebuilt engines failing early is due to poor fitting technques, wrong oil or carelessness, so I need to protect myself.

I can't see that any of my terms are unreasonable, but I am willing to listen to any input from this community.

Duncan

 

[lozcb]

friggin joker P ,and will never honour any warrenty.Expect its a verbal warrenty anyway and not worth the breath of air used to mention it.

Adam your a little out of order there mate , i know Duncan personally and dont believe he would knowingly dupe anyone , he has the integrity, same as most on here , feel an apology is in order


regards loz

 

[reservoirfrog]

Duncan
just picked up on this thread.........first of all welcome to the forum.
it is understandable to be sceptical about offers that seem too good to be true, especialy from an area where there is a lot of nightmare stories and bad press.
however it is good to have you here and I am sure that with your comitment to provide a quality product & your proffesional knowledge we can only benefit from your involvement in sports maserati.

Rob

 

[MAF260]

Yet more negative input on this forum without any foundation.

Some of you are doing the Maserati community no good whatsoever with your idle 'observations' and speed of criticism......

 

[Parisien]

Duncan, thanks for the clarification and fulsome explanation of both your experience in the field and how you conduct your business.

The fact that you are known within the community plus Loz can vouch for you puts your ebay sales in a much better perspective.

Gullible had a very bad experience with his car purchase and after sales care.

Good luck with your sales and in supplying Maserati parts to the Maserati community.


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[philw696]

As a new member myself and being the guy who bought the wheels and tyres of ebay last week i would agree that some people can come up with comments that can't be backed up.
I have been a motor engineer for over 30 years and am more than happy with the wheels and tyres that are now on my car.
They are the same as what i use on my celica gt4 rally car and are more than up to the job.
when im clever enough to upload a pic of them now on my car i will do so.
The guy i got them off was totally genuine and a Maserati enthusiast with a 4200cc himself and at the moment converting his rear lights to 3200 boomerang lights im sure that may cause a stir with some people.
I just need to find some one to strip and refurb my original wheels back to new so suggestions welcome.
Phil.
North Somerset.

 

[lozcb]

As a new member myself and being the guy who bought the wheels and tyres of ebay last week i would agree that some people can come up with comments that can't be backed up.
I have been a motor engineer for over 30 years and am more than happy with the wheels and tyres that are now on my car.
They are the same as what i use on my celica gt4 rally car and are more than up to the job.
when im clever enough to upload a pic of them now on my car i will do so.
The guy i got them off was totally genuine and a Maserati enthusiast with a 4200cc himself and at the moment converting his rear lights to 3200 boomerang lights im sure that may cause a stir with some people.
I just need to find some one to strip and refurb my original wheels back to new so suggestions welcome.
Phil.
North Somerset.

Phil do comment more on the 3200 light conversion , we must get this guy on here at all costs please if you can supply his details or if you could get in touch with him again and ask him to come on , he would be a hero on here many of us have contemplated the same so his experience in the matter is well sought after

regards loz

 

[reservoirfrog]

Hi Phil
have you tried the "wheel specialist", they have outlets all over the country, they refurbed one of my wheels that I curbed recently to match the paint job on the other wheels that I had done ( only 2 days before, but dont tell anyone, I'm still embarressed about that). they have shot blast equipment & are pretty resonably priced.

Rob

 

[Gullible]

Adam your a little out of order there mate , i know Duncan personally and dont believe he would knowingly dupe anyone , he has the integrity, same as most on here , feel an apology is in order


regards loz

I am sorry guys but i live in the real world here and it is my experience and others that where money is involved and in this climate everybody is ripping everybody else off and you had better believe it.
Give a person £4000 for an item, then 4 weeks later ask for it back or tell them the repaire bill is £6000 and see what happens.
I have on 10th sept sold a Nikon 70-200VR on ebay ,the seller had it for 4 weeks and now he has done his "project" wants to return it for a full refund.Clearly his intention from the start,Free hire of a £1600 lens for a month....and you know something? ebay will give him every penny back including the postage i paid so dont tell me about sellers or buyers honour as this does not ereally exist in any form in this recession.
I have already had an irate PM from this new member and perhaps he would honour a warrenty and maybe he will try to wrangle out of it in any way he can...who knows? Loz yeh you might be lucky as you know him and he knows you so there is no milage in that one but what about a person living say 1000 miles away he has never met before they collected the engine? are the rules the same then? perhaps and perhaps not.
I have been stitched up by housewifes.mothers,fathers,business owners,solictors etc etc and non of these have shown an honerable intentions yet you would not think butter would melt in there mouths...but then as i said ...they didnt really know me that well so its not like i am a friend or anything...Truth is i would love to say sorry to Duncan but i dont think once the money is spent he is going to be inclined to invest anything into genuine parts to fix whatever went wrong as this could be more than the cost of the engine in the first place and refund? Not likely.
So maybe for a ford engine then the warrenty is valid but Duncan what do you do when the engine if fitted and then it developes a fault that will cost £6000 to rectify? can you afford to refund the cost of the engine and the cost of the fitting that the buyer has had to pay because the engine you supplied was in fact not in that great a shape?
sure we all say we would but when the situation becomes "real" what happens? I am one of the most honerable people i know and even i am starting to baulk at some costs and starting to think of ways out of returning money or scraping back money i have paid.

 

[Gullible]

Yet more negative input on this forum without any foundation.

Some of you are doing the Maserati community no good whatsoever with your idle 'observations' and speed of criticism......

and some just see it as a way to punt there wares to potential buyers Maf...I will stick by my opinion of sellers in general and car delaers and mechanics in my area,i have had my fair share of and cannot find any one i would trust 100%
Saab 93 told needed anew exhaust at MOT lasted for 3 years before it blew and failed MOT.
Saab 93 convertable,Told needed New disks and brakes all round.asked to see this and say that there was a rim lip on front of 2mm approx and 16mm from the disk wear guage pads were almost 1/2 inch thick,rears disks and pads were as new!!!
Porsche 911 2006 model being sold as in pristine condition by dealer..cut and shut with all the wrong parts fited !!!
Porsche cayman 2008 sold as in immaculate condition Cat C undeclaired!!! HPI exposed.
Dealership MPI my SL merc and deliberatly placed higher milage on the car then contacted me to say that he did not believe the milage stated 24000 was accurate and would i sell for less?
Mother wants some images of her daughter doing XC on her horse but has "left her purse at home" can she have the images and send a cheque in the post tomorrow?
No cheque no apolgy ignores emails,ignores telephone calls...we have about 40 of these so far this year to the sum of around £1200.
I am sure they would not go into a shop ans walk out without paying but in essance this is almost what they have done.
I am not going to go on but you get my drift.
Dodgy people in a dog eat dog world and when you least expect it you will be stitched up as well.
Poeple are struggling to make ends meet and this brings out the worse in people.
Your car has just had a reapair bill for £350 and you just dont have the money really as the kids need new shoes and the wifes depressed at the moment through lack of money,your walking down the road and you find an expenses envelope with £500 in it,the name on the packet says Mr R Wilson. do you take it to the police or just pocket it happy in your good fortune and get the car out of the garage and buy the kids those shoes?
Circumstances alter cases

 

[Duncanofengland]

Adam,
I never expected an apology from you. You've obviously been turned over and tucked up a few times - and recently too, so you feel the need to have a pop at someone who you, without good reason, think is going to do the same to someone else. I don't really care too much what you think, because you are in the minority and you seem to have a serious chip on your shoulder and an axe to grind. Why not relatiate to those who have mistreated you, instead of unloading your negativity on me, and the Maserati and other communities? If you think that I won't honour a warranty, you are welcome to your opinion. You don't know me and you don't know how I conduct my business. If you think my terms are unfair, then don't deal with me. Simple.
For the record, if (and it is a big IF) any engine which I supplied were to fail within the warranty period, due to an internal fault, then I could and would make good - whether its a Maserati, a Ford or a Jensen engine.
Duncan

 

[lozcb]

Adam,
I never expected an apology from you. You've obviously been turned over and tucked up a few times - and recently too, so you feel the need to have a pop at someone who you, without good reason, think is going to do the same to someone else. I don't really care too much what you think, because you are in the minority and you seem to have a serious chip on your shoulder and an axe to grind. Why not relatiate to those who have mistreated you, instead of unloading your negativity on me, and the Maserati and other communities? If you think that I won't honour a warranty, you are welcome to your opinion. You don't know me and you don't know how I conduct my business. If you think my terms are unfair, then don't deal with me. Simple.
For the record, if (and it is a big IF) any engine which I supplied were to fail within the warranty period, due to an internal fault, then I could and would make good - whether its a Maserati, a Ford or a Jensen engine.
Duncan

You have my support Duncan


regards loz

 

[SimonM]

and some just see it as a way to punt there wares to potential buyers Maf...I will stick by my opinion of sellers in general and car delaers and mechanics in my area,i have had my fair share of and cannot find any one i would trust 100%
Saab 93 told needed anew exhaust at MOT lasted for 3 years before it blew and failed MOT.
Saab 93 convertable,Told needed New disks and brakes all round.asked to see this and say that there was a rim lip on front of 2mm approx and 16mm from the disk wear guage pads were almost 1/2 inch thick,rears disks and pads were as new!!!
Porsche 911 2006 model being sold as in pristine condition by dealer..cut and shut with all the wrong parts fited !!!
Porsche cayman 2008 sold as in immaculate condition Cat C undeclaired!!! HPI exposed.
Dealership MPI my SL merc and deliberatly placed higher milage on the car then contacted me to say that he did not believe the milage stated 24000 was accurate and would i sell for less?
Mother wants some images of her daughter doing XC on her horse but has "left her purse at home" can she have the images and send a cheque in the post tomorrow?
No cheque no apolgy ignores emails,ignores telephone calls...we have about 40 of these so far this year to the sum of around £1200.
I am sure they would not go into a shop ans walk out without paying but in essance this is almost what they have done.
I am not going to go on but you get my drift.
Dodgy people in a dog eat dog world and when you least expect it you will be stitched up as well.
Poeple are struggling to make ends meet and this brings out the worse in people.
Your car has just had a reapair bill for £350 and you just dont have the money really as the kids need new shoes and the wifes depressed at the moment through lack of money,your walking down the road and you find an expenses envelope with £500 in it,the name on the packet says Mr R Wilson. do you take it to the police or just pocket it happy in your good fortune and get the car out of the garage and buy the kids those shoes?
Circumstances alter cases

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[steve]

Not been around for a wile so dont know if there is any history here, but Adam it looks like you have never dealt with Duncan but choose to slight him and his business because other people have done it to you If that is right you are so out of order an apology is the least you should do.

 

[MAF260]

and some just see it as a way to punt there wares to potential buyers Maf...I will stick by my opinion of sellers in general and car delaers and mechanics in my area,i have had my fair share of and cannot find any one i would trust 100%
Saab 93 told needed anew exhaust at MOT lasted for 3 years before it blew and failed MOT.
Saab 93 convertable,Told needed New disks and brakes all round.asked to see this and say that there was a rim lip on front of 2mm approx and 16mm from the disk wear guage pads were almost 1/2 inch thick,rears disks and pads were as new!!!
Porsche 911 2006 model being sold as in pristine condition by dealer..cut and shut with all the wrong parts fited !!!
Porsche cayman 2008 sold as in immaculate condition Cat C undeclaired!!! HPI exposed.
Dealership MPI my SL merc and deliberatly placed higher milage on the car then contacted me to say that he did not believe the milage stated 24000 was accurate and would i sell for less?
Mother wants some images of her daughter doing XC on her horse but has "left her purse at home" can she have the images and send a cheque in the post tomorrow?
No cheque no apolgy ignores emails,ignores telephone calls...we have about 40 of these so far this year to the sum of around £1200.
I am sure they would not go into a shop ans walk out without paying but in essance this is almost what they have done.
I am not going to go on but you get my drift.
Dodgy people in a dog eat dog world and when you least expect it you will be stitched up as well.
Poeple are struggling to make ends meet and this brings out the worse in people.
Your car has just had a reapair bill for £350 and you just dont have the money really as the kids need new shoes and the wifes depressed at the moment through lack of money,your walking down the road and you find an expenses envelope with £500 in it,the name on the packet says Mr R Wilson. do you take it to the police or just pocket it happy in your good fortune and get the car out of the garage and buy the kids those shoes?
Circumstances alter cases

Adam,
Duncan didn't advertise on here. The ebay ad was usefully highlighted by another member on here, but as usual they immediately raised some negativity and unfounded suspicions about the warranty offered. There's a small clique on here who seem to delight in finding the negative in anything outside of this immediate community and commenting on things they know nothing about.
Your unfounded comment about Duncan is damaging to his integrity; you have/had no proof of the aspertions you cast.

Clearly you have been the 'victim' of unscrupulous people. Perhaps your user name says it all. You are right in that people will take advantage of others where they can - it's a competitive world which is both very good and very bad. I feel for you that you have been repeatedly taken advantage of, perhaps you are too trusting, or don't have the time/inclination to do your homework before dealing with others. I'm naturally cynical and therefore don't take anybody at face value. If I wish to deal with somebody either personally or in business then I spend the time checking out as much as I can about them. I also accept that I will be told complete lies by some and that others will make mistakes that could affect me - the onus is therefore on me to complete any due diligence necessary before transacting. I've also found out the hard way in the past, my homework can't always reveal the whole truth. As others have said on here, you seem to have a real chip on your shoulder about the way you have been treated. Please don't automatically assume that all is bad in the world before commenting.

The negativity, unfounded comments and general suspicion of those who are far too quick to comment is becoming wearing. I'm starting to find myself visiting this site less often and having little desire to contribute as it's not offering what I came here for. Pity, as the efforts of Matt & Loz will be wasted if members continue to make this a place of sneering criticism & negativity.

 

[Gullible]

OK last i am going to say on this matter,i was wrong to sugest that the seller was not going to honour a warrenty even if that made him grossly out of profit and into a vast Loss.
Duncan firstly i am sorry i refered to you as a friggin joker.That was very rude and unfair of me and i am genuinly sorry that i said that.
I do not know you and i cannot judge at this stage if you would ever honour any warrenty as i have never bought from you.
So lets get to know each other then.
I would like to ask some questions if i may.
You say you have never had to honour any warrenty before,is this correct?
If the engine is fitted to someones £18,000 pride and joy, as you sugest and in the way you sugested and all the provisions mentioned are taken and still the engine blows up or the block cracks (due to the tiny impact stresses caused by the accident that supplied the engine in the first place)and the cost of the parts is more than the cost of a second hand engine, are you saying you will refund the buyer in full or replace the engine?
what about the buyers costs in fitting the engine in the first place if he just gets a refund?
Or are you saying that you will collect the car on a flatbed truck and remove the engine at your works and dismantle it and check that all the oil grades ,colant and spark plugs and so on are in fact correct and the correct type... and then tell the buyer what caused the failure? Can you personally do this with a maserati?
then because its nothing the buyer or fitter did wrong, buy the new parts and fit them yourself so as to get this persons car on the road as soon as possible? Even if the parts have to be New parts?
And you are going to do all this at your own cost including the work?
so potentially buy a used engine for lets say £2000 and sell it for say £3500 then have to spend £4000 on the parts and a coupe of days on fitting them and ensuring that all is done as you have sugested the buyer/fitter do it,you are already at a loss of £2500 and thats not taking into account your work in fitting it. But you will do this happily and without any corners cut (you know new gasket set & not use the old ones)or trying to wrangle out of the warrenty because you are a honerable man?
if this is the case,then Thats brilliant Duncan and i am impressed and truly sorry that i did not believe your integrety...and how long is this unlimited warrenty for on this engine?
I know of one guy who has a 4200 and is in need of an used engine and with this warrenty he may well go for it.
Please let me know asap and i will tell him
all the best