Joining the electric car club

Ewan

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bigbob said:
That is precisely how the government is pump priming the demand. Get them out there by making it practically impossible for anyone with a company car to want to take anything different. Works fine if you keep another car for the long journeys as most couples/families who rank somewhere for a company car will be able to do. I guess it is then a success as emissions are reduced where they should be, in urban areas. For those of us without company cars the logic is not compelling yet largely as the range/purchase price algorithm does not yet work. I will not be chopping any of my five petrol cars for a BEV anytime soon but I hope to be around to do so in 5-10 years time if only for the shopping car once they sort out pricing for these.
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You’ve hit the nail on the head there. Spot on analysis.
 
DLax69

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Tallman said:
I sometimes wonder if these are sponsored articles. You can always find a comparison that will work for your intended choice. Also note the suggestive language: they use “can” and not “will” in this specific case. It’s a silly comparison IMO. I can think of some more: “A small hatch may not work if you like to go on holidays with the family”. Obviously if you like to travel far with a lot of luggage you will not buy a small hatch. It’s horses for courses. You can’t have your cake and eat it and all that..
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Weellllllllllllllllllllllllllllll...you kinda can have your cake and then eat it. In fact, that's generally how it works...

Step 1: Have cake
Step 2: Eat cake
Step 3: Bum a Partagas off @Bebs
Step 4: Repeat

That said...still not sold on electric. Still hope other alternatives present before we get as locked into extension cords as we are dead dinosaurs.

Speaking of which, unless and until none of that electricity is provided by GTG technology...then your EV is still combusting petrol.
 
keith

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My EV is virtually 6 months old, and as is always the case with my 'big car' has covered minimal mileage- currently 1,673 miles.
I may have dodgy calculations, but according to my home EV Charger electric meter has consumed 492 kWh @.249pence per KWh. That works out at about £122.00. In that time I have only needed to public charge a couple of times, so absolute worst ways £150 overall. By contrast my previous Ghibli Diesel would have cost over £400.00.
With the Genesis brand I have five years free servicing, with collection and delivery to my home on a transporter and courtesy car always loaned, I have a full five year warranty with the same conditions, and thanks to a tie up with Ionity (albeit they don't have a massive charging network) a subsidised 50% discount rate which when I last checked meant I could charge at the same rate as at home, and their chargers are I believe the fast 350 kWh units, which for me means 20 to 80% in 20 minute's.
Currently at least until 2025 I pay no RFL, or Sadiq Khan's rip off Congestion Charge, and I'm safe for a good long while with the ULEZ as the goal posts would have to move considerably before EV's get included!
The down sides are clearly if you don't have your own home charger, and are regularly doing high mileages. On a full charge depending on the outside temperatures- that as most know now makes a big difference to range, could get a realistic motorway range of 250 miles, without running the batteries too low. I will be in Harrogate in a few months for a few days, so from London I will only need charge at my destination.
So dependent on use, if your reliant on regular public charging, perhaps things need to improve, as I have discovered finding vacant working fast chargers can be a problem, things aren't there yet, but for light use you can save a considerable amount.
As for my car, I have said before, in a history of owning Jaguar's and a Maserati (an excellent car), believe it or not the Genesis Electrified G80 ranks as the best!
 
Ewan

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I stopped by the Genesis shop in Battersea Power Station over the Christmas break and was very impressed. At both the cars and the venue.

There’s a chance our E-Tron may be swapped for a Genesis, when the time to change comes.

We’re doing about 12k miles a year in the E-Tron, and only charge at home. So using your maths, I’m saving hugely on energy costs, especially compared to doing those miles in the Ferrari at around 10mpg
 
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keith said:
My EV is virtually 6 months old, and as is always the case with my 'big car' has covered minimal mileage- currently 1,673 miles.
I may have dodgy calculations, but according to my home EV Charger electric meter has consumed 492 kWh @.249pence per KWh. That works out at about £122.00. In that time I have only needed to public charge a couple of times, so absolute worst ways £150 overall. By contrast my previous Ghibli Diesel would have cost over £400.00.
With the Genesis brand I have five years free servicing, with collection and delivery to my home on a transporter and courtesy car always loaned, I have a full five year warranty with the same conditions, and thanks to a tie up with Ionity (albeit they don't have a massive charging network) a subsidised 50% discount rate which when I last checked meant I could charge at the same rate as at home, and their chargers are I believe the fast 350 kWh units, which for me means 20 to 80% in 20 minute's.
Currently at least until 2025 I pay no RFL, or Sadiq Khan's rip off Congestion Charge, and I'm safe for a good long while with the ULEZ as the goal posts would have to move considerably before EV's get included!
The down sides are clearly if you don't have your own home charger, and are regularly doing high mileages. On a full charge depending on the outside temperatures- that as most know now makes a big difference to range, could get a realistic motorway range of 250 miles, without running the batteries too low. I will be in Harrogate in a few months for a few days, so from London I will only need charge at my destination.
So dependent on use, if your reliant on regular public charging, perhaps things need to improve, as I have discovered finding vacant working fast chargers can be a problem, things aren't there yet, but for light use you can save a considerable amount.
As for my car, I have said before, in a history of owning Jaguar's and a Maserati (an excellent car), believe it or not the Genesis Electrified G80 ranks as the best!
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How much will you be losing / year in depreciation?
Eb
 
safrane

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keith said:
My EV is virtually 6 months old, and as is always the case with my 'big car' has covered minimal mileage- currently 1,673 miles.
I may have dodgy calculations, but according to my home EV Charger electric meter has consumed 492 kWh @.249pence per KWh. That works out at about £122.00. In that time I have only needed to public charge a couple of times, so absolute worst ways £150 overall. By contrast my previous Ghibli Diesel would have cost over £400.00.
With the Genesis brand I have five years free servicing, with collection and delivery to my home on a transporter and courtesy car always loaned, I have a full five year warranty with the same conditions, and thanks to a tie up with Ionity (albeit they don't have a massive charging network) a subsidised 50% discount rate which when I last checked meant I could charge at the same rate as at home, and their chargers are I believe the fast 350 kWh units, which for me means 20 to 80% in 20 minute's.
Currently at least until 2025 I pay no RFL, or Sadiq Khan's rip off Congestion Charge, and I'm safe for a good long while with the ULEZ as the goal posts would have to move considerably before EV's get included!
The down sides are clearly if you don't have your own home charger, and are regularly doing high mileages. On a full charge depending on the outside temperatures- that as most know now makes a big difference to range, could get a realistic motorway range of 250 miles, without running the batteries too low. I will be in Harrogate in a few months for a few days, so from London I will only need charge at my destination.
So dependent on use, if your reliant on regular public charging, perhaps things need to improve, as I have discovered finding vacant working fast chargers can be a problem, things aren't there yet, but for light use you can save a considerable amount.
As for my car, I have said before, in a history of owning Jaguar's and a Maserati (an excellent car), believe it or not the Genesis Electrified G80 ranks as the best!
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c 3.4mIles per KWH... that is extremely impressive.
 
keith

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safrane said:
c 3.4mIles per KWH... that is extremely impressive.
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Actually it’s closer to 3 miles per kWh, as there were a couple of recharge’s at public chargers. Although that said according to the ‘app’ over the last month I’ve managed 3.22. Also it’s worth mentioning most of my mileage is motorways, but if I keep to the posted limits I can get over 3, which is pretty good for a big heavy 5 metre long saloon.
 
keith

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Ewan said:
I stopped by the Genesis shop in Battersea Power Station over the Christmas break and was very impressed. At both the cars and the venue.

There’s a chance our E-Tron may be swapped for a Genesis, when the time to change comes.

We’re doing about 12k miles a year in the E-Tron, and only charge at home. So using your maths, I’m saving hugely on energy costs, especially compared to doing those miles in the Ferrari at around 10mpg
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I can thoroughly recommend Genesis. Excellent customer service post delivery, and in the case of my car at £80k it’s a good ten grand cheaper than the equivalent spec Merc EQE.
If you’re interested in a demo I can pass on the name of the Genesis Personal Assistant that I used and covers the S.E England region - a very friendly chap!
 
Ewan

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I'm averaging about 2 miles per kWh (the app states 33 kWh per 100km, over my 42,000 km of driving). The car is used daily for popping to the shops, school, office, etc, so hardly ever on the motorway. In fact, there isn't even a single mile of motorway in my county (Dorset)!
At this usage, charging at home and mainly overnight, the fuel cost is a little under 10p a mile. Which compares with about 20p per mile for my diesel car currently (or well over 50p per mile for some of my more fruity petrol cars!).
So, my EV is nowhere near as good (financially) as was the case a couple of years ago when we first it, but still okay.
 
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Oneball said:
That’s nothing to do with electric cars though.
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No its not. Its not joined up thinking though. Lets get everyone to go electric but then generation produces more CO2 than burning petrol. If CO2 is the big enemy then why produce more?
 
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P R said:
No its not. Its not joined up thinking though. Lets get everyone to go electric but then generation produces more CO2 than burning petrol. If CO2 is the big enemy then why produce more?
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Does it though? Where is the data that says CO2 per mile is greater for a BEV than an ICE? Everything I’ve seen says that based on the European average electric production BEVs produce less CO2 per mile than an ICE.
 
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