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In the event of a strike
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Oneball
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OMG, you've just told Putin where it is
It’ll be perfectly safe, Surrey is full of Russian oligarchs.
sionie1
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Unless Putin has fallen out with them, then it'll be first on the strike list.
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Not much defense if Putin decides to fire off a few rockets:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03...se-system-is-no-match-russian-nuclear-attack/
But an attack on the UK (NATO) with rockets will have huge consequences for Europe, the US and Russia and then the rest of the world - I’m sure China would lean heavily on Putin to avoid such a scenario
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03...se-system-is-no-match-russian-nuclear-attack/
But an attack on the UK (NATO) with rockets will have huge consequences for Europe, the US and Russia and then the rest of the world - I’m sure China would lean heavily on Putin to avoid such a scenario
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I call bullsh!t... having walked most of the area of the Surrey Hills, I can confirm that there are bunkers but these a small personnel bunkers built to counter WW2 invasion. They're generally built as firing points on the southern slopes or at strategic points such as railway/canal bridges.
As for missile defence, nah, where are they?
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I'm not liking the 2020s much so far , pity there's not a FF button straight to 2030.
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I believe, though I'm far from sure. That Putin talks a good game. But, he doesn't have much in reserve to threaten NATO with. His speech at the May 9th Parade yesterday was interesting. He hardly mentioned NATO and its European members. He concentrated his ire on the U.S. Which is understandable because the U.S. directly helped the Ukrainians sink the Moskva and the U.S. is probably providing the most military assistance. Both hardware, training and intelligence on where and when best to use it.
Putin mentioned Russian forces were concentrating on the Donbas region and gave no mention of what Russia's end point looks like. The speed with which the EU has responded definitely shocked him and he may be seeking to improve relations with his European oil and gas recipients. While ramping up anti-American support domestically. The military hardware on show was mostly Soviet era and the whole parade was a very abbreviated version of what usually takes place.
The incident most likely to create an exchange of fire between the Russians and Americans and a wider conflict,
would occur if US planes were enforcing a no-fly zone over Ukraine and they had an engagement with Russian planes. Or, if the US Sixth Fleet were to enter the Black Sea in force, to ensure the export of Ukrainian wheat which is sitting in warehouses ready to be exported and they exchanged fire with Russian ships of the Black Sea Fleet. Both scenarios have the potential to go south rapidly. However, the US President is playing the cards he's been dealt, well. Or, if you were to be unkind. He's playing them the only way open to him, whilst minimising risks of a wider conflict. Either way. Its the intelligent play and the Joint Chiefs support the strategy.
Neither America or Russia want an escalation and a wider conflict. So far as I understand it, neither is preparing for one, nor is positioning its forces in anticipation. Russia in particular does not want a wider conflict to the extent that I would bet that its a negligible risk. As things stand today. Russian nuclear forces or means of delivery were at their peak of availability and capability during the 1970's and 1980's. Since the fall of the USSR, Russia hasn't been able to keep its military up to date with advances in technology. It has a few show pieces of various kinds, but none that can be deployed. Most assets like its latest tanks and aircraft never went into production so can be discounted.
Thus its strategic weapons are few in number and unreliable, compared to the US triad of strategic bombers, submarines and land based ICBMs spread across the central US. I don't claim that the Russians couldn't nuke major cities in Europe or the US. Those are the easy targets. Military targets are much harder to kill, because by nature they seek to be stealthy. Ukraine was a major producer of electronic components used in Russian military assets. So perversely for Putin. His invasion of Ukraine is helping to degrade his own military capabilities.
Whilst the ground in the east of Ukraine is water logged and boggy, Russian heavy weapons are confined to using roads to manoeuvre and are much easier targets for the Ukrainians. I think we'll continue to see the Ukrainians increase the tempo of their own offensive strategy. Seeking to push the Russians out of Ukraine before the summer heat firms up the terrain enough to allow the Russians to deploy where they like. There's a window of opportunity for the Ukrainians. If the destroyed cities in the east of the country are forced to endure a winter without utilities, tens of thousands more civilians who remain there will die, without huge amounts of aid being allowed in.
As has been reported. If the Ukrainians can't export their massive grain stocks now. There will be a world food shortage, particularly in developing countries. If they are unable to plant seeds for next year's crop. Food shortages will only get worse next year and beyond. As well as high utility prices. Increasing costs and scarcity of basic foodstuffs are likely to be the threats that we will face. More so than nuclear weapons.
That's my ten cents worth. But, I haven't been keeping up to speed with events of late.
Putin mentioned Russian forces were concentrating on the Donbas region and gave no mention of what Russia's end point looks like. The speed with which the EU has responded definitely shocked him and he may be seeking to improve relations with his European oil and gas recipients. While ramping up anti-American support domestically. The military hardware on show was mostly Soviet era and the whole parade was a very abbreviated version of what usually takes place.
The incident most likely to create an exchange of fire between the Russians and Americans and a wider conflict,
would occur if US planes were enforcing a no-fly zone over Ukraine and they had an engagement with Russian planes. Or, if the US Sixth Fleet were to enter the Black Sea in force, to ensure the export of Ukrainian wheat which is sitting in warehouses ready to be exported and they exchanged fire with Russian ships of the Black Sea Fleet. Both scenarios have the potential to go south rapidly. However, the US President is playing the cards he's been dealt, well. Or, if you were to be unkind. He's playing them the only way open to him, whilst minimising risks of a wider conflict. Either way. Its the intelligent play and the Joint Chiefs support the strategy.
Neither America or Russia want an escalation and a wider conflict. So far as I understand it, neither is preparing for one, nor is positioning its forces in anticipation. Russia in particular does not want a wider conflict to the extent that I would bet that its a negligible risk. As things stand today. Russian nuclear forces or means of delivery were at their peak of availability and capability during the 1970's and 1980's. Since the fall of the USSR, Russia hasn't been able to keep its military up to date with advances in technology. It has a few show pieces of various kinds, but none that can be deployed. Most assets like its latest tanks and aircraft never went into production so can be discounted.
Thus its strategic weapons are few in number and unreliable, compared to the US triad of strategic bombers, submarines and land based ICBMs spread across the central US. I don't claim that the Russians couldn't nuke major cities in Europe or the US. Those are the easy targets. Military targets are much harder to kill, because by nature they seek to be stealthy. Ukraine was a major producer of electronic components used in Russian military assets. So perversely for Putin. His invasion of Ukraine is helping to degrade his own military capabilities.
Whilst the ground in the east of Ukraine is water logged and boggy, Russian heavy weapons are confined to using roads to manoeuvre and are much easier targets for the Ukrainians. I think we'll continue to see the Ukrainians increase the tempo of their own offensive strategy. Seeking to push the Russians out of Ukraine before the summer heat firms up the terrain enough to allow the Russians to deploy where they like. There's a window of opportunity for the Ukrainians. If the destroyed cities in the east of the country are forced to endure a winter without utilities, tens of thousands more civilians who remain there will die, without huge amounts of aid being allowed in.
As has been reported. If the Ukrainians can't export their massive grain stocks now. There will be a world food shortage, particularly in developing countries. If they are unable to plant seeds for next year's crop. Food shortages will only get worse next year and beyond. As well as high utility prices. Increasing costs and scarcity of basic foodstuffs are likely to be the threats that we will face. More so than nuclear weapons.
That's my ten cents worth. But, I haven't been keeping up to speed with events of late.
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OMG, you've just told Putin where it is
On the basis he couldn't get his tanks down the main road into Kiev I somehow doubt he could negotiate down Surrey lanes with all the Chelsea tractor mums on the school run
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midlifecrisis
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Who never give way even when it's your side of the road too!
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Silly boy, it's their road as they have to get their precious offspring to where ever as quickly as possible so they can get back to the gym / shop / wine bar etc.
A Russian tank or Chelsea tractor with mum and kids on board - no contest
I wouldn’t want to be up sh1t creak with you that’s for sure.
midlifecrisis
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Sorry, moment of madness in posting. Please forgive me.
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New reality series:
Karens in Chelsea Tractors versus the Russian Army.
Karens in Chelsea Tractors versus the Russian Army.
midlifecrisis
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I know which will be towed by Ukrainian Farmers afterwards
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Don’t tell them Pike!OMG, you've just told Putin where it is