How fast can these depreciate?

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iainw said:
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A near £20,000 depreciation in 18 months and just under 2,500 miles.
How can they sell any new ghiblis?
Some 2014 ones with reasonable mileage are now sub 30.
Soon they will be the same price as 14 year old 4200's.
Surely Maserati made a mistake with them?
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It was Fiats idea to move more metal and make more profit. There not interested when the cars out of warranty and what there worth second hand..

If you want a fairly cheap at the mo (20k'ish) Maserati investment,the monies on the late classic 3200 manual GT's!

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More like £15k as it's a very basic car, wheels and colour aside, so retail at about £51k. And there are discounts available on new cars so probably sold at under £50k. Then take off the VAT at £8k.

All new cars depreciate a big chunk the day you drive them away. On the basis of the above, I don't think this is particularly any worse than any other executive saloon, and probably better than many. And talking to the Maserati dealers, they say they are doing very well with Ghibli as used cars at these prices.
 
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That price looks fair to me. I don't see that the base diesels are going to hold onto their value. They are likely to be the more common car.

I'm still hopeful that having got mine with effectively that initial chunk off it'll hold its value a little better. If not then I'll just have to keep it longer. That would be a hardship wouldn't it?


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iainw

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Agree - a well specced S should hold its value better.
It was the car that got me more interested in Maseratis when I saw it on the forecourt near me. Then I fell for the GTS.

Most of the ones for sale are pretty crappy spec and diesel - petrol ones still holding value reasonably well.

Don't know why they didn't do a 4.7 GTS version Giulia QV beater straight off the bat to complete the range...mmm.
 
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Probably more like £15k discounted retail to trade but I take your point. No different to a 535d etc.

I agree with the diesel point, the petrol ones are rarer. Shame Maserati do not badge the cars as you can't tell when they are parked up.

Maserati now only makes two saloons and an SUV. Times have changed.
 
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alfatwo said:
It was Fiats idea to move more metal and make more profit. There not interested when the cars out of warranty and what there worth second hand..

If you want a fairly cheap at the mo (20k'ish) Maserati investment,the monies on the late classic 3200 manual GT's!

Dave
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That's harsh as they have to manage the residuals to keep the leasing rates competitive. You will always get better value buying a classic car but they are not comparable - you wouldn't buy a 3200 to do 40,000 miles in the next three years like most Ghilbi diesels will.
 
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Interestingly, having owned both twice, I would say the diesel is the better car to own and drive
 
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That's a very boring car for £36k. I'd much rather a late QP V for slightly less, spending the balance on the fuel and maintenance.

(Not referring to all modern Ghiblis - just this particular one in boring colour, boring spec, small wheels)
 
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Yes, terrible colour. It's awful in the flesh. Most cars have one unusual colour scheme that seemed like a good idea at the time. This is it for the Ghibli. It's also low spec with no paddles etc.

Given the mass produced (for Maserati anyway) nature of these now, I don't think the depreciation is too bad. I suspect we'll see them stop in the mid-late teens somewhere whereas the similar Germans will fall beyond that.
 
MrCoop

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Spot on Ewan, I too would much rather spend my £36k on a late QP.

The new Maserati's just don't do it for me. Too mainstream, somehow...
 
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Yes, terrible colour. It's awful in the flesh. Most cars have one unusual colour scheme that seemed like a good idea at the time. This is it for the Ghibli. It's also low spec with no paddles etc.

Given the mass produced (for Maserati anyway) nature of these now, I don't think the depreciation is too bad. I suspect we'll see them stop in the mid-late teens somewhere whereas the similar Germans will fall beyond that.
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I am sceptical they will stop depreciating...they are a car like most and the loss is inevitable unless they appeal to people to buy as a semi classic. As they are a mass production car that is less likely, also their market is company cars so miles will be high...and if their repair and service cost remain at typical Marerati rates they will be even less apealing.
 
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Interestingly, having owned both twice, I would say the diesel is the better car to own and drive
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I've driven all three and rather liked the base petrol as the price premium for the S seems silly. However, all the loan cars now seem to be the diesel and I've done a few thousand miles in them and they are impressive. I just prefer the sound of the petrol.

The one thing I have noticed Ghibli has done is make it harder to book my car in as all those pesky contract hire bods are filling the service bays!
 
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Spot on Ewan, I too would much rather spend my £36k on a late QP.

The new Maserati's just don't do it for me. Too mainstream, somehow...
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I agree with this, however, none of us are typical Ghibli buyers and the QPV seems to be struggling to sell at £30k+.
 
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The number of customers who bought the GT and QP, would never be sufficent to sustain the company and pay for the development of new cars.
The point of the Ghibli was to try and boost sales by appealing to the traditional executive car buyer who wants to try something a bit different. The brand name goes a long way to boost sales.
Those owners of classic maserati's have got to realise the customer profile and brand is changing, rather like Jaguar eight years ago, to become a small premium volume competitor to the German premium brands.
So the used price if a Ghibli will be something in line with the equivalent 5 Series or E Class.
Maserati is not Bentley.
 
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keith said:
The number of customers who bought the GT and QP, would never be sufficent to sustain the company and pay for the development of new cars.
The point of the Ghibli was to try and boost sales by appealing to the traditional executive car buyer who wants to try something a bit different. The brand name goes a long way to boost sales.
Those owners of classic maserati's have got to realise the customer profile and brand is changing, rather like Jaguar eight years ago, to become a small premium volume competitor to the German premium brands.
So the used price if a Ghibli will be something in line with the equivalent 5 Series or E Class.
Maserati is not Bentley.
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Quite happy with all that you say. I like and wave at Ghiblis' and will be pleased when Maserati has a balanced portfolio. The trouble is they go about it in such an embarrassing way. Having no coupe of convertible on the market and being likely to remain in that position for several years is just silly. Up market brands all require aspiration and top end models give that. F type sucks XE buyers in I am sure.
 
MrMickS

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Up market brands all require aspiration and top end models give that. F type sucks XE buyers in I am sure.
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This in capitals. Maserati need to have a 'halo' car to draw people in. Something that gets featured in magazines and draws people to the brand.

Before the new Giulia QV Alfa Romeo had the 8C, and now the 4C. These generate interest in the brand even though the number sold is small. Maserati need to have a GT type car available, even if its another facelift with the new V8 from the QP GTS in it.

The QP, Ghibli, Levante, may be nice cars but none of them are poster cars that will feature in magazines etc, for anything other than launch/facelift review.
 
iainw

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Ewan said:
That's a very boring car for £36k. I'd much rather a late QP V for slightly less, spending the balance on the fuel and maintenance.

(Not referring to all modern Ghiblis - just this particular one in boring colour, boring spec, small wheels)
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Agree with that.
The ghiblis can look good with contrast stitching, extended leather, paddles, carbon 21 inch sports pack etc etc.. but then you are getting into a cost bracket where you can get better cars IMHO.

I am worried about the day when the road is full of ghibli diesels and Maserati suffers from losing its 'rarity' tag.
 
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This in capitals. Maserati need to have a 'halo' car to draw people in. Something that gets featured in magazines and draws people to the brand.

Before the new Giulia QV Alfa Romeo had the 8C, and now the 4C. These generate interest in the brand even though the number sold is small. Maserati need to have a GT type car available, even if its another facelift with the new V8 from the QP GTS in it.

The QP, Ghibli, Levante, may be nice cars but none of them are poster cars that will feature in magazines etc, for anything other than launch/facelift review.
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GranTurismo and GranCabrio have already stopped and gone.
 
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