Great Battery tester

azapa

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Wondering how good your battery is? This little puppy has everything you need. I've tested it on 6 and 12v batteries, before and after conditioning and in real starting/driving conditions. It cost me 40US$.

Absolutely no connection with sellers, just a very happy customer.

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azapa

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It's a strange voodoo box. I'm guessing it very carefully measures internal resistance and compares to the rated CCA.

Also nicely tests charging and under load. Look in Google play store for the BM500 app and install, all the instructions are there.

Internet advice and recommendations are exactly worth what you paid for. YMMV.
 

azapa

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Just out of curiosity, against what are you judging the results it gives you?

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I have a programmable load that puts a fixed current load on the battery and times the discharge curve. It gives a result in A/h, but to be honest had never really told me if a battery is bad or not. Also, the huge problem with the version I have is that it only gives an audible alarm at a certain discharge voltage (rather that cease the discharge). Blink and you end up with a 0V battery and heavy toxic waste.
 

CatmanV2

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Still not sure how you know this little box is accurate in its good / bad analysis? Genuinely only curious here

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azapa

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OK Mr C. fair question. I've been around batteries for far too long now (should explain things – well, that and a 1st class honours degree in electronics and telecoms) selling large UPS systems in which the battery banks cost 100K alone. These things are (unlike solar systems) in series, maybe 96x12V lead acid batteries at a time! Yes, series! So, you can imagine what happens when just one battery goes bad. Mostly, the whole string is scrapped. Awful. So, a way to tell what battery is bad, replace it, and keep the rest for a few more years is very attractive.

Here are the strange things you will often see in a “bad” battery:
  1. Has decent voltage, but won’t start a thing as the capacity has gone
  2. Has decent capacity, but the voltage is too low
  3. Has decent capacity, and voltage, but won’t start a thing
  4. As above, but very fast self-discharge rate
  5. Physical problems, bulging (oh-er missus)
And a host more even stranger things that combine the above. Many of these faults are repairable! There are techniques to bring these batteries back to life and they can live many more years. This will be a huge issue going on with car electrification: the packs too, are series, high voltage. One cell and they are kaput. So yes, I have sought better solutions for a long time. The biggest problem is time: to identify one bad cell, many times the labour cost is higher than swapping out the entire pack. Recycling is another huge issue. Batteries are heavy and toxic, therefore the recycling plants are miles from the usage points: huge transport costs and huge CO2.

Anyway, sorry for the waffle-on. First of all, regarding this tester, at 40 bucks: buy it and try on some bats you have lying around. I have tons, and did that. It was really easy to use (bluetooth, all the processing and intelligence is on the phone), tiny and light. No huge dummy loads to trek around.

When testing I found it backed up my empirical evaluation of the battery every time. I have attached some pictures of the internals. It’s a Bluetooth chip (the square one, which incidentally has un-tapped USB ports), a blanked out micro-controller, a small load resistor, and some other timing and logic gubbins. As I said before: it is an internal resistance calculator, that has the batteries anatomy (type and capacity) and the various testing standards mapped, to produce an effective result very quickly. Another cool thing is you can input and save battery models, so to repeat test, you just change the leads and hit test (it also logs all the results).

I’d say, in 35 years around batteries, the most useful kit I’ve ever bought. And as above: YMMV, just try it!
 
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Zep

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I’ve got to be honest, it’s a bit of a blunt tool and relies on a certain amount of knowledge to get the best out of it.

It’s good that it measures internal resistance, but as different batteries of the same capacity have different resistance to start with, this information is only really useful if it is trended over time, like a battery monitoring system like Powersheild for example. It won’t measure impedence, and doesn’t do a real load test, so the capacity is an estimate based on the internal resistance, which as mentioned above is variable, so potentially incorrect.

From my perspective, if you want to get your battery geek on, it’s quite useful for the money, but the insight is limited.

If you have a big string of batteries the info would be more useful, as you can compare the resistance and voltage of the blocks and see which one is going bad before it destroys the whole string.

For me, if you really want to know the capacity of your battery a discharge tester at a fixed load is the only way.
 

azapa

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For me, if you really want to know the capacity of your battery a discharge tester at a fixed load is the only way.

That's the way I've done it for 30 years. It's slow (depending on the load size) and can finally kill the battery unless you have a low voltage disconnect in series. Try one of these jobbies, Zep, I'll repay its value in beer if you are not impressed!
 

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was in euro car parts yesterday and looking through their latest offers on the counter they had the sealey tester with the printer reduced from somethimg like £300 to £125.
By the way this thread reminds me of that fella that hoodwinked various armed forces with his gizmo that supposedly detected explosives during car check points, turned out to nothing but a worthless piece of sh1t when someone took it apart, gobsmacking how he got away with for so long