Grantursimo S - two week update and pictures

Palmball

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I've had my new pride and joy for just over a couple of weeks now and was eagerly waiting for this weekends' promised weather to be able to give it a good detail. Before some pics, heres a an overview on how I'm getting on...

The looks and sounds of this car are incredible. I still haven't got used to either and its the sort of car that I feel so proud of driving everywhere - it seems to have such a positive well-recieved image with none of the stigma that seemed to came with owning my previous 911 Turbo. The sound is such an exotic and expensive tone and alone this attracts more attention to the car than the whole of the Porsche (maybe a little too much for my liking)....it's definitely not a car for the shy person!

Performance - mmm, I though this'd be the one area that I'd struggle with given what I stepped out of but in all reality, I'm not missing the power of my previous German metal - the Maserati also feels a fair bit quicker than I thought it would be. At the top end it feels as quick as anything I've had except the Porsche which is quite surprising given it's in the same ballpark power-wise to my M3 / C63's, yet weighs as much as 20% than them. Maybe it's just the sound giving this impression but the push in the back you get when screaming (as it does) through 5-6-7000rpm (redlines at 7.5k rpm) tells me it's the real deal! It's also just a very nice engine...I've said it before but it really feels and sounds exotic and it's got a very linear power delivery.

The gearbox is fine too and suffers none of the jerkiness found in the BMW M6 - you don't have to lift when changing gear to make smooth change. You don't have myriad of different settings either - just normal and (when you push the sport button to open the exhaust valves) faster. In sport mode you get the MC Shift option which, as long as you have 80%+ throttle and over 5500rpm makes for pretty instantaneous (yet oddly enough, still quite smooth) changes - around 80ms IIRC. The paddles are fixed which takes some getting used after all my previous non-manual cars had steering wheel mounted paddles - at least the paddles are really big so you can get to them almost regardless of where you're holding the wheel.

Some pics of the engine bay before cleaning (with all the plastic covers removed)....

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and after cleaning....

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OK, it could do with another 100bhp to really be in the big-boys league but in all honesty, it's not that kind of car....

....which leads me onto the dynamics. This is the one area that it's somewhat behind my previous cars and not because theres anything fundamentally wrong (indeed, it's actually the best balanced car I've had since the M3) but because of the weight. The suspension is quite firm but it still rides nicely at 7/10th's. The handling is also pretty sharp with reasonable turn-in, good body control and just enough grip which, on demand, can give way nicely at the back to give a beautifully balanced, progressive and controllable slide. The ability to do this must have a lot to do with it's front-mid engine layout (the engine is so far back it's nearly under the dash!) and it's transaxle gearbox giving IIRC a 52% rearwards weight bias.

Where it starts to fall apart is when you're giving it 8/10th's or more....this is when you feel the weight going against you. Typical situations are going fast round a tight roundabout or on heavily undulating roads - both of these generate too much vertical body movement and the structure itself doesn't seem as stiff as the 911 or the M3 (but it is just as good as the C63). I can't really do much about that and it's certainly stiff enough not to create any rattles or creaks (see below) but the suspension could be rectified by a slightly stiffer set-up and some weight loss. I reckon such equipped, this car could really benefit from it's fantastic chassis balance and I guess this is what they've done with the MC Stradale that's getting such good reviews at the minute. Whilst I that car is a bit rich for me, at least I do have the option of retro-fitting the springs, dampers, roll bars and geometry from it at reasonable cost which should improve matters considerably....watch this space!


Whilst on the bit's I don't like too much I've got to mention the entire telematics/sat nav system. The speed of the system is fine as it's hard-drive based, the mapping is OK too (although not as good as the Comand systems in Merc's) but it has some peculiarities like a very poor sat-nav voice which is largely incomprehensible, a Bluetooth system that decides whether it wants to connect to your phone or not (this last one should be fixed by a software update next week) and a trip computer which only stays visible for 10 seconds before reverting to the previous display.


Interior-wise, the driving position is excellent and it has the straightest steering wheel I've ever come across - it comes out vertical which means you can reach the whole wheel without stretching! I've even got used to the seats which on a day to day basis are very comfortable (although they could still do with more side support so I don't keep falling off them!).

The quality is GREAT....and is one of the few car's I've had which doesn't rattle, creak or buzz...nothing but silence from the interior. The whole interior is leather covered, it's got a nice, very plush-feeling alcantara headlining and even the gearchange buttons (no floor-mounted levers in this car!) have a nice soft leather surround to them. In contrast to my opinion of the Porsche, this is a lovely place to sit and why, despite the lower performance ability, I'm enjoying this car more.

The colour isn't to everyones taste but even those that don't like red comment on how it just suits the car. It creates a great sense of occasion....

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When I first got the car, I thought the condition of the paint was exceptional as both in sunlight or under florescent lighting, there were no scratches or swirls on it. How wrong could I have been! After the first wash I must've removed whatever was covering up the marks as it had some awful scratches, lots of swirls and on of the sills doesn't even have lacquer all the way along it! It's very disappointing, especially as the car came with two receipts for a yearly £300+ Swissvax detail carried out at Maranello!

So, I took the opportunity to make the most of the weather this weekend to fix what I could. Firstly, I washed the car and let it dry after after hosing it down with filtered water (using my hose-attached Aqua-Gleam water filter to remove all the sh!t you normally get in tap water), I clayed it and then I machine polished the entire car using my DA polisher, some Sonus Yellow swirl-removing pads and Menzerna final finish compound.

This took about 4 hours as, working a 50-60cm square section at a time, I went over each section with about 20 passes of the DA polisher making sure I slowly built the speed up to maximum and slowed it down again to ensure the compound could 'work' properly.

By the time I'd finished the bodywork was smooth and extremely squeaky clean but most importantly, I'd managed to reduce or remove most of the swirls and scratches (this is far preferable to just covering them up with a polish full of silicone fillers as it's a result that should last). A few still remain but you've really got to catch them at the right light and know what you're looking for - I couldn't fix the sill that had no lacquer so that's being resprayed when it goes into the dealer for a software update next week. They're also replacing all the stone chip guards that are stuck on just in front of the rear wheel arch as they're past their best... a result as this is being done FOC under warranty!

Once the bodywork was 'bare' of any protection I applied some Poorboys EX-P sealant and then applied my creme-de-la-creme...my Swissvax Best Of Show wax. I hope you like the pictures....

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Simon

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Great pics and write up. The gearbox is shared with the 599 which explains the quick changes.

I've heard a few 997 turbo's at full acceleration and the exhaust note was quite disappointing I guess as most of the energy gets recycled back through the turbo's. How do you feel it compares with the GT-S?

Simon
 

Andyk

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What a great balanced right up...A joy to read and what a great colour combo...Keeo the reports coming. Thanks.
 

conaero

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Very good job mate and what a great weekend you had y
to do it. This Swisswax, is it really that good?
 

Dan!

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Great review, agree with all that you've written.... Although I do have a couple of questions regarding your description of the slide-ability of the car. Did you do this with or without the stability control off?

I've found with it on it does a very good job of keeping you pointing the right way with little or no correction needed. However, with it off I've found that can drifted if prevoked into over steer by lifting off to unsettle the car and then balancing the slide. Where as if trying to get it to powerslide I find less controllable due to the weight, in that once it's sliding it's pretty much a lost cause.

Are you going to the wet handling day? If so you'll get what I mean you go through the water jet gate (there's a proper name for it, but I can't remember what they call it) as I found it very difficult to catch the slide during that exercise.
 

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Great write-up and what a superb looking car.

Maybe this is the inner detailer in me, but I'd be interested in seeing some before/after shots and a couple more of the 'in progress' if you have them?

Genuinely, thanks for the write up - as a GS owner, the GTS would be on the future wish list, so its very intersting to read the thoughts of a current owner, thanks.
 

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Oh, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a red interior, I had it and it looks better in the flesh as it does not photograph very well, plus it the best colour to have for wear and keeping clean. It does not show the dirt like the lighter colours and it does not show the dust like the darker colours.
 

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Oh, Palmball, remember that if you want some more power, Dan just had his GTS MC dyno'd by DMS and got a whopping 505bhp, up some 60-70hp on stock and it did not cost the earth either, very reasonable as a group buy.
 

GransportFan1

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Andy, what a beauty, i knew this thread would have a huge amount of detail after meeting you for the first time 3 weeks ago and seeing all your cleaning products in the garage, i could tell your a real car cleaning enthusiast. Feel quite privileged to have been in your car, it is bloody stunning in the flesh.
 

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A very fair write up I think. I like the red interiors and they look deeper in the flesh as the flash of a camera makes it pink. Black on red looks great IMHO. Not my choice but it's not my car - enjoy!

The GT/GTS/GTS Auto are very different cars to the GS/997 turbo etc. I went for the GTS Auto as I do not see these cars as outright racers but they suit what I want for an everyday car. I took my 4200 GT to the track and it was as bad as I expected. Frankly, I would spend £15k on an Elise and take that to the track and leave my Maser for road work where, as an all round proposition it is perfect. I need my car to take the kids too and very few cars in this bracket actually have the space for that but it does mean a GT weighs more than a 997.
 

Palmball

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Thanks for the great feedback guy's - much appreciated!

Great pics and write up. The gearbox is shared with the 599 which explains the quick changes.

I've heard a few 997 turbo's at full acceleration and the exhaust note was quite disappointing I guess as most of the energy gets recycled back through the turbo's. How do you feel it compares with the GT-S?

Simon

That is very interesting about the gearbox - I didn't know that!

How does it compare to the Porsche? Well, I was very lucky to have owned a Gen-2 997 turbo which is like a totally different car to a Gen-1 (I would never have sold my C63 for Gen-1). The Gen-2 has much more performance than the extra 20bhp (over the Gen-1) indicated - it was ridiculous how quick it was and could make you feel physically sick even in a straight line...IIRC, Evo tested the car at 3.2 seconds to 60 and 7.3 to 100...in a manual as the PDK was even quicker! Braking was just as insane (even though mine didn't have ceramics) and the dynamic engine mounts and all the other handling goodies that the Gen-2 came equipped with made it go round corners like nothing else.

Despite all this...I personally still prefer the technically inferior Maserati. I can 100% understand anyone who would prefer it the other way and go for the Porsche, especially if they like the way it looks and get the whole 'Porsche' thing. I didn't, I never did and I should've always stuck with my instincts which were that I don't like 911's!


Very good job mate and what a great weekend you had y
to do it. This Swisswax, is it really that good?

Yes, Swissvax is VERY good....but worth £160 a pot for the Best of Show variant? No, probably not in a value-for-money sense. What it is though, is very, very easy to use - even in hot direct sunlight. Also, it doesn't mark plastics if you inevitably over apply to the wrong areas!

The shine is great but the perfectly smooth glass-like finish is only attainable by very methodical preparation - claying and machine polishing to give it a very (squeaky!) clean base to apply sealant and polish to.


Great review, agree with all that you've written.... Although I do have a couple of questions regarding your description of the slide-ability of the car. Did you do this with or without the stability control off?

I've found with it on it does a very good job of keeping you pointing the right way with little or no correction needed. However, with it off I've found that can drifted if prevoked into over steer by lifting off to unsettle the car and then balancing the slide. Where as if trying to get it to powerslide I find less controllable due to the weight, in that once it's sliding it's pretty much a lost cause.

Are you going to the wet handling day? If so you'll get what I mean you go through the water jet gate (there's a proper name for it, but I can't remember what they call it) as I found it very difficult to catch the slide during that exercise.

My comments re the handling are in sport mode where it allows a much greater slip angle - so much in fact that you can hold a nice slide yet still benefit from the safety net of ESP. I found a good dose of lock and a sharp prod of the throttle got it to gracefully slide out and then just balance it on the throttle.

It's a very progressively reacting car (probably due to weight again) in such situations so you do have time to catch it, hold it and get it back again but let's get this into perspective...so far, my playfulness has been for a couple of seconds round some roundabouts in the dry so the wet handling day will be very interesting. Those conditions in the wet are always quite challenging at first as you become acclimatised to the dynamics of a car and the low-grip conditions but one can get a good rhythm going with practice. I'll see you there!

Great write-up and what a superb looking car.

Maybe this is the inner detailer in me, but I'd be interested in seeing some before/after shots and a couple more of the 'in progress' if you have them?

Genuinely, thanks for the write up - as a GS owner, the GTS would be on the future wish list, so its very intersting to read the thoughts of a current owner, thanks.

No problem...thanks for the feedback. Sorry, I don't have anymore before or during pictures as it was so hot I had to get on with it before it all dried on me!


Oh, Palmball, remember that if you want some more power, Dan just had his GTS MC dyno'd by DMS and got a whopping 505bhp, up some 60-70hp on stock and it did not cost the earth either, very reasonable as a group buy.

Yes, yes...I know!! But nobody will tell me how much this 'special' buy was! I've asked in public, I've PM'd Loz yet I'm still none-the-wiser. If someone could email me with what it should cost me I'd very much appreciate it!
 
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Palmball

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Andy, what a beauty, i knew this thread would have a huge amount of detail after meeting you for the first time 3 weeks ago and seeing all your cleaning products in the garage, i could tell your a real car cleaning enthusiast. Feel quite privileged to have been in your car, it is bloody stunning in the flesh.

Thanks mate - glad you enjoyed it! All in your future grasp mate ;)
 

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Beautiful looking car you have there, my other half really likes them...

She'll have to work harder wont she :D
 

Maser Sod

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Great review - I like the balance, as I do get disappointed when people rave about their P&D and can find no fault.
Reports such as this help me make up my own mind about whether to get a GT-S.
 

DaveT

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Great review - I like the balance, as I do get disappointed when people rave about their P&D and can find no fault.
Reports such as this help me make up my own mind about whether to get a GT-S.

Agree with that.

Good to hear a balanced review.
 

GransportFan1

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Great review - I like the balance, as I do get disappointed when people rave about their P&D and can find no fault.
Reports such as this help me make up my own mind about whether to get a GT-S.

I would say go for it. The performance between the Gransport and GTS is very similar but that is the only similarity they share. The GTS is streets ahead i think, especially when it comes to the interior, interior quality and looks. The GS is know where near a minger, far from it in fact, but the GTS has to be best looking car on sale today. After haveing the pleasure of being in 2 4200 spec cars, (Gransport and 4200 Spyder), the Granturismo can not be compared to the 4200. I personally do think for the extra money, the GTS is worth every penny and you can get a nice GTS for around 75k, i would not consider any other car for this price region.