GranSport Clutch Change with Pics...

2b1ask1

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Great work as ever Craig. Particularly like the bread bearing removal technique, will have to try that on mine!
 

CraigWaterman11

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Great work as ever Craig. Particularly like the bread bearing removal technique, will have to try that on mine!

Yes you absolutely should it takes all of five minutes. I had a client in the workshop with a friend when I did it. Its always a conversation piece. You actually could use this on anything that required hydraulic force behind it to push it out. Well, within reason of course.
 

conaero

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Can one of you explain the bread thing, is it like the grease thing, you pack the centre and tap it, the grease acts like hydraulic fluid, and pushes the bearing out???
 

CraigWaterman11

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Can one of you explain the bread thing, is it like the grease thing, you pack the centre and tap it, the grease acts like hydraulic fluid, and pushes the bearing out???

Yes but I can't stand grease, it really makes a mess. If you use grease you have to make sure it's an air tight seal around whatever you put through the hole. As soon as you build pressure when you slap that hammer......anyway try bread. You dig it out, let it fall on the floor and sweep it away. I use an air chuck and just blow the hole and debris away when finished.

If you are a real trooper, look up at your client and eat the bread out of the hole. Allow saliva to fall down your cheeks. The client will be both surprise by your ingenuity, and your dementia. He won't be sure if you are a genius or mad. Oh as a heads up the bread might be a bit greasy/gritty. Remember the bread will soak up whatever is in the hole........ROFL. No seriously I've never done it, just put more thought into it than I should have.
 

conaero

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Yes but I can't stand grease, it really makes a mess. If you use grease you have to make sure it's an air tight seal around whatever you put through the hole. As soon as you build pressure when you slap that hammer......anyway try bread. You dig it out, let it fall on the floor and sweep it away. I use an air chuck and just blow the hole and debris away when finished.

If you are a real trooper, look up at your client and eat the bread out of the hole. Allow saliva to fall down your cheeks. The client will be both surprise by your ingenuity, and your dementia. He won't be sure if you are a genius or mad. Oh as a heads up the bread might be a bit greasy/gritty. Remember the bread will soak up whatever is in the hole........ROFL. No seriously I've never done it, just put more thought into it than I should have.

Ok, I get it, saves getting a face full of grease squirted back at you I suppose.
 

safrane

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Im still at a loss re the bread...I just toast it and you for getting this job done!
 

CraigWaterman11

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Im still at a loss re the bread...I just toast it and you for getting this job done!

Lol..........nice!

Just to let you guys know I re-wrote the clutch configuration, and re-set the PIS. The car is definitely running exactly as is should be. Runs as if I have a three pedal. Very excited to have it back without clutch judder.
 

adam01

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Lol..........nice!

Just to let you guys know I re-wrote the clutch configuration, and re-set the PIS. The car is definitely running exactly as is should be. Runs as if I have a three pedal. Very excited to have it back without clutch judder.

no need to sell then :)
 

CraigWaterman11

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no need to sell then :)

Well see I'm an Addict, I'm willing to admit it. I want the only GTS we have in the U.S. with the F1 system, and in order to get it I have to sell the GS. One thing for certain though at least whoever gets it they'll know the maintenance was done on it.

BTW, what years of the GT do you guys have with the F1 system in the UK?
 

conaero

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From 2008 to the present day.

The GTS from 2008 till the Sport came out in 2012/13 but the Stradale continued with it.

Do you not have Stradale in the US?
 

CraigWaterman11

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From 2008 to the present day.

The GTS from 2008 till the Sport came out in 2012/13 but the Stradale continued with it.

Do you not have Stradale in the US?

We have it, beautiful car btw, but no F1 system. That one year only, 2009, 300 cars were sent here with the F1 system. Honestly, I don't know what it was. Probably all of the complaints to MNA, about the maintenance, how loud the F1 system was, etc. I know people want the clutch system of the 458, and they are feeling the F1 system is dated, but I still think it's a good system. It's sad because what's happening is the people who just know how to sit in a car and nothing more are controlling the sales here. But I guess that is always how business is......following the complaints of the money.
 

voicey

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Great guide Craig. Some thoughts...

You forgot to mention the absolute pain in the *** p-clip that holds the cable for the RHS rear lambda!

Also, I don't take the gearbox off - it's less time to shuffle it backwards on a transmission stand.

I've got no idea how you manage the torque tube on your own, you must have big muscles as it feels like it's made from lead.

I find there's a bit more space to work at the bell housing if the steering rack is dropped down (remove the heat shield first).

Don't forget to put the magnet on the release bearing the correct way round otherwise you'll be cursing when you plug the SD3 in.

Clutch needs to be bled and it's easier to top up the reservoir with the heat shield under the boot removed (as well as all the boot trim).
 

CraigWaterman11

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Great guide Craig. Some thoughts...

You forgot to mention the absolute pain in the *** p-clip that holds the cable for the RHS rear lambda!

Also, I don't take the gearbox off - it's less time to shuffle it backwards on a transmission stand.

I've got no idea how you manage the torque tube on your own, you must have big muscles as it feels like it's made from lead.

I find there's a bit more space to work at the bell housing if the steering rack is dropped down (remove the heat shield first).

Don't forget to put the magnet on the release bearing the correct way round otherwise you'll be cursing when you plug the SD3 in.

Clutch needs to be bled and it's easier to top up the reservoir with the heat shield under the boot removed (as well as all the boot trim).

Actually, I purposely left it out hoping my good friend from the UK would stop over and help with the post....lol.
I finally got the dumb clutch from Eurospares (sorry I wrote you're guy and forgot to forward it to you). I tried to cancel the order and it was being held in the U.S. because they didn't fill out the customs form. At least when I called, they were brash with an accent, so I really couldn't be offended. "Well it's only been the weekend now, hasn't it!". I didn't feel like arguing on it being much longer but whatever. When I got the clutch...lol....the thread got the back seat really quick so I might of glassed over a bit of it.

I like to just get the gear box out of the way. I tend to pressure wash all the dirt/debris off of them. The torque tube is easy if you imagine shes a .......(I might want to leave that out here)...lol. There would definitely be a bit more space with the rack/pinion out of the way but I find if I just push up the heat shields around the tunnel/firewall area it comes right out. Then before re-installation, I use a rubber mallet, and tap all the shield all the way around to make sure it's tight. They seem to sag a bit after time. There seems to be plenty of room for re-install afterwards. But hey, I'm all for more room with the rack out of the way to, and the person feeling comfortable working on the car. If I ever come over we can do it your way if you have anything scheduled.

Yep that release magnet. Screw head points forward. Be-careful of the dowel pin. If you use the wrong tool to tap it out, it expands and you'll be there for longer than you need to be.

Clutch being bled.......I did leave a bit out. Guess I was more excited to get it in than I thought. I left quite a bit out didn't I?


On a different note I have my PIS set at 3.98, before the change it was 4.65. I have you to thank for the procedure. I just did a PIS today on a 12,000 mile car after a PPI. That car was set to 4.95, set down now to 4.73. I'm getting good with dialing in the procedure. I am using .02 and .03 to dial them in now. The client might of though I was a bit crazier than he'd like when we took his car out to warm his clutch up. But I'm dead certain those friction discs were as expanded as they are ever going to be.

Thanks for adding to the thread as well.
 

drumcato

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Hi
Does anyone know where I can find this with pics ? I've trawled for an hour to find and no luck ! thanks
 

drumcato

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Not yet ! But the whole clutch business is putting me off ownership a little. I was thinking of going for a GS (I have a 4200 cc )
So if this was something I could do then maybe id hang in there. Looking at it I could I think. Ive done an engine rebuild before and put a few clutches in on the street back in the 90's ! but all beetle/VW vans !!
 

Navcorr

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On top of the mechanicals you'd have to bleed hydraulics and set PIS & clutch config. Meaning having access to a diagnostic.