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GTVGEOFF said:
Max didn't win, he was gifted it.
You have a set of rules and that is what you play by. You don't change them to advantage one side and disadvantage the other. Mercedes made their decisions based on those rules and then had the rug pulled from underneath them.
I have followed F1 for many years and am sad to say if it is now to be run in this way, "I'm out"
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My view entirely, Hamilton worked hard and had the race well won. The race was effectively taken taken from him and gifted to the lesser driver on the day. I’m certainly no great fan of Hamilton, but he certainly was robbed!
 
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dickygrace said:
I don’t particularly like Lewis, but I do like sport to be just and fair. Doesn’t seem fair at all.
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long season Richard! You have missed a lot! Merc put out the best car and deserve the mfg championship but I think Max shaded it across the season, most wins, most poles, most podiums, most laps lead and he was taken out by each Merc driver in 2 races. Karma in the end perhaps. Certainly no procession to catch up on sleep this Sunday pm! Good to see LH gracious in defeat. Roll on next season.
PS. Remember F1 is 1st a business, 2nd a spectacle and 3rd (and occasionally) some sport breaks out. Let's get back to the rugby!
 
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Geo said:
My view entirely, Hamilton worked hard and had the race well won. The race was effectively taken taken from him and gifted to the lesser driver on the day. I’m certainly no great fan of Hamilton, but he certainly was robbed!
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sorry but I would take issue with 'lesser driver'. These two are both at the very top, the Merc package since taking the new engine in Brazil has given LH a faster car for the last 4 races. Driver is probably 5% of the package.
 
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Guy said:
sorry but I would take issue with 'lesser driver'. These two are both at the very top, the Merc package since taking the new engine in Brazil has given LH a faster car for the last 4 races. Driver is probably 5% of the package.
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Take as much issue as you like Guy, yesterday he couldn’t keep up with Hamilton.
 
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Geo said:
Take as much issue as you like Guy, yesterday he couldn’t keep up with Hamilton.
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we are not disagreeing with the fact. LH had the better package yesterday, the Merc was simply too fast for the RB.
 
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Nayf said:
I’m actually a neutral in this (Lando/Kimi fan) but Verstappen’s win sets up an epic 2022. How does Hamilton come back from this? What effect will his young, hungry new teammate have? With the first win under his belt, will Verstappen elevate to a new level?

Regarding the FIA, the BTCC adds laps to those spent behind the safety car. Similar things happen in NASCAR. Why doesn’t the same thing happen in F1?
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they might run out of fuel?
 
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they might run out of fuel?
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Then that is a tactical decision that adds spice. Same with tyre wear. As I said earlier, touring cars, NASCAR etc all have the same tyre/fuel/curfew considerations. They already engineer a rule that they have to have a certain percentage of fuel in the tank at the end of the race for sampling – that's what caught Vettel out in Hungary – so, you have to increase the reserve tank. There would be a disincentive to cheat, because if you under-fuel to save weight, you run out after a safety car. Over-fuel (like BAR did in the 00s), then you are slower.
The same applies for the tyres. If the safety car is out for x amount of laps, but then you know that extra laps are going to be added, then it becomes a no brainer to pit for tyres. The downside is do you know how long the safety car is in for/how many laps are added, but the answer to that is a mandatory red flag/safety car/standing start after a certain amount of safety car laps, at which point fresh tyres can be put on. Say, five, for example.
It's all very simple, really.
 
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The unfortunate truth is “Mercedes just had the faster car today. “ (Christian Horner). LH was 15 seconds down the road until williams crash. Always a lottery at any restart but this decision taken seem to be rushed (to the point of panic). Would a red flag and proper restart have provided 5 laps of racing to close instead of releasing the fox into the hen house.

This new application of rules ‘just let them race’ plus code of conduct put the fastest car second.
That’s entertainment - when the sport is owned by Americans

Maybe remove the enforced tyre change pit stops and let the drivers decide?
As for Lap one overtaking / lunge / aggressive driving? Re-instate gravel traps which apply analogue penalty without recourse to Race Director or Stewards.
 
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Nayf said:
Then that is a tactical decision that adds spice. Same with tyre wear. As I said earlier, touring cars, NASCAR etc all have the same tyre/fuel/curfew considerations. They already engineer a rule that they have to have a certain percentage of fuel in the tank at the end of the race for sampling – that's what caught Vettel out in Hungary – so, you have to increase the reserve tank. There would be a disincentive to cheat, because if you under-fuel to save weight, you run out after a safety car. Over-fuel (like BAR did in the 00s), then you are slower.
The same applies for the tyres. If the safety car is out for x amount of laps, but then you know that extra laps are going to be added, then it becomes a no brainer to pit for tyres. The downside is do you know how long the safety car is in for/how many laps are added, but the answer to that is a mandatory red flag/safety car/standing start after a certain amount of safety car laps, at which point fresh tyres can be put on. Say, five, for example.
It's all very simple, really.
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NASCAR can re-fuel.
BTCC can only add 3 laps to race distance so could still finish under safety car.
 
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On Saturday Horner and Wolff asked Masi if in the late stages there was a crash would a red flag be put out and he said no (so they said on sky commentary)

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Any appeal will go nowhere. Any remedy would bring a sport that is already losing popularity crashing down. There’s also too much money at stake. Sunday was the nail in the coffin for me and many others who stuck with F1 for too many years. Max and Lewis both deserved to win, but the way it ended was constructed and contrived to diminish the meaning of the race and championship.

A sad end to a great battle which made the battle therefore irrelevant.
 
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For F1 I recon the best man won on Sunday.. Hamilton's had it fairly easy racing himself since Roberg retired 5 years ago, It was maybe time for someone younger the take over.
I'm not a Hamilton fan, but he's a f*cking good race driver... For me and millions around the world he didn't manage to eclipse perhaps the greatest of all time :cool:

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For F1 I recon the best man won on Sunday.. Hamilton's had it fairly easy racing himself since Roberg retired 5 years ago, It was maybe time for someone younger the take over.
I'm not a Hamilton fan, but he's a f*cking good race driver... For me and millions around the world he didn't manage to eclipse perhaps the greatest of all time :cool:

Dave
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Nice to have you back Dave and hope you're mending well mate ? :)
 
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Andrew Benson, the BBC F1 editor summed it up nicely for me, "deserved title won by a questionable call"
 
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