First post - any advice on one of these two Granturismos :-)

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Do bear in mind that condition is everything with these cars and that a 10K bill is not uncommon, even from an independent specialist, if a number of known issues need dealing with.
If you are doing 10,000 miles a year, you are most likely bound to come across some of these at some point.
 
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6502Nerd said:
Unfortunately I'm not local (South Leicestershire). So what I am hoping is to get the car PPI at the local indy (Jon Paul Motors, if you know them?) and subject to clean bill of health I will go for it. If you have time to just take a look that would be grand, but appreciate that folks are busy etc..
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If 66k doesn’t feel high to you, buy it. If resale doesn’t matter, or running costs, it’ll be fine.
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Resale is less of a concern, yes - but running costs I am expecting similar for both cars despite the mileage difference? I.e. roughly annual services, flipping between minor (oil, filter) and major.. Shiltech in Loughborough is my closest indy, so I would get them to look after servicing.
Bebs said:
Do bear in mind that condition is everything with these cars and that a 10K bill is not uncommon, even from an independent specialist, if a number of known issues need dealing with.
If you are doing 10,000 miles a year, you are most likely bound to come across some of these at some point.
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Oh, don't frighten me yet!! But I get your point - although I think with these things it's the case with any high-end car, not specific to Masers (I hope!).
 
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Wasn’t my intention to scare you off. But, important to be up front about these things.
Maserati parts are notoriously expensive and there are a number of known issues that crop up from time to time, in addition to servicing.
A 66,000 mile car will most likely need some of these dealt with.
(My car was on 65,000 at purchase and needed a fair few of these, hence I’m aware of the costs involved)
 
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Bebs said:
Wasn’t my intention to scare you off. But, important to be up front about these things.
Maserati parts are notoriously expensive and there are a number of known issues that crop up from time to time, in addition to servicing.
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Understood and I was slightly tongue-in-cheek :)
I owned a 4200 for 3 years - although to be fair to that car, I had no major mechanical issues (small things like window motor, but engine and F1 box were robust for me).
The Range Rover Sport I have now is great - but then again there's tons of stories about the horrendous cost of major failure of the transmission and engine.. trying to be objective and I think Maserati have only got better since the time I owned the 4200 (crossed fingers).
 
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I use Shiltech too - from S.Derbyshire.
There was a guy from Rugby looking to buy a GT the other week as well.

fwiw I had a quote from warranty wise for £2k pa (although they have a terrible reputation) £35k private sale would get you a better car than either of these.

Sell your RR via motorway if you don’t want the hassle of selling.
 
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JMS said:
I use Shiltech too - from S.Derbyshire.
There was a guy from Rugby looking to buy a GT the other week as well.

fwiw I had a quote from warranty wise for £2k pa (although they have a terrible reputation) £35k private sale would get you a better car than either of these.

Sell your RR via motorway if you don’t want the hassle of selling.
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I know opinion will vary, but I feel I want to have a dealer backed car. Warranty Wise have a bad rep (which is what the main dealer is offering) but so do RAC (which is the Epping car warranty). I once made a claim on a Warranty Wise and it all went through pretty smoothly. If there was a GT close to Shiltech that would be ideal for the PPI. I'm still leaning to the 2015, just like the extra exterior and interior look of it.
 
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In my experience (with QP 4.2) at 66K you will shortly need to replace bearings if they haven't already gone, and bushing and wishbones. However with the older car, you could be in for more age and service related issues like replacing the lambda sensors and oil filters and spark plugs as likely they have not been done as per servicing. Choices Choices! And of course check the sub frames! Anyway nice position to be in!
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A dilemma to be sure. When I bought my GTS at 31K miles it came with a 12 month warranty (can't remember the company). That's the easy bit. Getting them to pay out is the difficult bit. When the warranty ran out I decided to self insure. Did I make the right decision? Time will tell as now on 50K miles. It has an oil and filter change every 12 months although only every two year's specified. If I have a problem (eg parking sensors, wheel bearing) I have it dealt with straightaway. Although as they say with cars 'you pays your money and takes your chance'
 
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I'm happy to report that the dealer of the 2015 car is perfectly happy for the local Maser indy (Jon Paul Motors, Epping) to look at it. Just spoke to the indy and they will get it up on the ramp, takes the wheels off and do a general all round check that everything is as per expected. Everyone including the dealer seems pretty happy to be open and transparent. I'm still waiting on the main dealer to come back on the 2012 car, so that's still an option (and it's a decent car - just a slightly older generation).

Hopefully in the next few days I'll be able to confirm my step back into Maser ownership!

Thank you everyone for the input, advice and experiences - this was just what I needed.
 
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I'd go for the lower mileage car (assuming condition of both cars to be approximately equal). Selling the 2015 car in three years time with circa 100k miles on it will be VERY difficult, and reflected (badly) in the price you'll get. In terms of depreciation, you'll lose more on the 2015 car.

In 25 years of Maserati ownership I've never heard of Jon Paul Motors as being a Maserati specialist. There's no mention of Maserati on their website, and no pictures of any Maserati's in their gallery (or elsewhere). So do check that they actually have the correct diagnostic software. This is not a comment against Jon Paul Motors - they may well be excellent for all I know - but I'd want to check their Maserati credentials.
 
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Ewan said:
I'd go for the lower mileage car (assuming condition of both cars to be approximately equal). Selling the 2015 car in three years time with circa 100k miles on it will be VERY difficult, and reflected (badly) in the price you'll get. In terms of depreciation, you'll lose more on the 2015 car.

In 25 years of Maserati ownership I've never heard of Jon Paul Motors as being a Maserati specialist. There's no mention of Maserati on their website, and no pictures of any Maserati's in their gallery (or elsewhere). So do check that they actually have the correct diagnostic software. This is not a comment against Jon Paul Motors - they may well be excellent for all I know - but I'd want to check their Maserati credentials.
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This!!! From a chap who’s owned more Maseratis than anyone on here.
 
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Ewan said:
I'd go for the lower mileage car (assuming condition of both cars to be approximately equal). Selling the 2015 car in three years time with circa 100k miles on it will be VERY difficult, and reflected (badly) in the price you'll get. In terms of depreciation, you'll lose more on the 2015 car.

In 25 years of Maserati ownership I've never heard of Jon Paul Motors as being a Maserati specialist. There's no mention of Maserati on their website, and no pictures of any Maserati's in their gallery (or elsewhere). So do check that they actually have the correct diagnostic software. This is not a comment against Jon Paul Motors - they may well be excellent for all I know - but I'd want to check their Maserati credentials.
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I don't know them either, but they have a Ferrari diagnostic capability (so I understand, from speaking with them when booking it in for the inspection). The dealer is providing a RAC Platinum warranty which in principle means that RAC have also inspected the car, so this was meant as a separate pair of eyes (because the RAC may want to pass cars as it lets them sell the insurance). If the car was near somewhere like Shiltech then it would be a no-brainer to use them of course..
Difficult decisions - risk vs cost vs time.. the age old trilemma.
 
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6502Nerd said:
I don't know them either, but they have a Ferrari diagnostic capability (so I understand, from speaking with them when booking it in for the inspection). The dealer is providing a RAC Platinum warranty which in principle means that RAC have also inspected the car, so this was meant as a separate pair of eyes (because the RAC may want to pass cars as it lets them sell the insurance). If the car was near somewhere like Shiltech then it would be a no-brainer to use them of course..
Difficult decisions - risk vs cost vs time.. the age old trilemma.
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Cost every time. £250-300 to find out, £35000 worth of mistake if you don’t bother. RAC don’t know the cars at all, I had a laughable experience with them once. Warranty and a clear inspection are poles apart.
 
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I used Nick Giles car inspections to look at a car for me, he doesn’t have diagnostic kit but gave me a written report assessing the car.

he’s mobile and doesn’t charge the earth.
 
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I'm happy to report that the dealer of the 2015 car is perfectly happy for the local Maser indy (Jon Paul Motors, Epping) to look at it.
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I’m assuming you found Jon Paul Motors and this was not the dealer‘s suggestion of a local Indy?? I would want a recognised specialist to do the inspection as they will know exactly where to look on each Maserati model of any particular age.

Good luck, I’m sure you’ll make the right decision when the purchase time comes!!
 
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6502Nerd said:
I don't know them either, but they have a Ferrari diagnostic capability (so I understand, from speaking with them when booking it in for the inspection). The dealer is providing a RAC Platinum warranty which in principle means that RAC have also inspected the car, so this was meant as a separate pair of eyes (because the RAC may want to pass cars as it lets them sell the insurance). If the car was near somewhere like Shiltech then it would be a no-brainer to use them of course..
Difficult decisions - risk vs cost vs time.. the age old trilemma.
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I have followed this thread. I can't stop laughing. I don't know 'Ewan' but he seems to be sound in his advice on Maserati.

But I do know Richard Grace from whom I bought my immaculate Gransport back in Oct 2016. His advice is spot-on.

Forget aftermarket warranties. They are riddled with wear 'n' tear clauses and rarely worth the paper they are written on.

The Egham car is main dealer inspected.
The Epping car is not.

Given a choice, the main dealer car every time. As for the indy you mentioned, I have never heard of them.

You asked for advice and opinions.
Richard Grace is giving you good advice.
These cars are extremely mileage sensitive.

Rest is up to you old bean......
 
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