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it might have been an accident but he still should of said something.....as for getting money out the boss thats not right..the job was done for free......

the man can pay for it
 
Ok here's me playing Devil's advocate, how do you know the young lad didn't wheel you over the good one on purpose? Did he have the opportunity to do a classic "switch" ??!!! If the 17 year old made a naive error it can be forgiven - not excused, but fogiven. If the 40+ bloke hasn't learned to be honest yet he has problems.

I agree the duplicity is the issue, not the damage - sh1t happens so you apologise and offer to sort it, and everyone should be reasonable with no firings. But to stick the damagfed tyre in the boot and hope to get away with it is out of order - he shouldn't be fired but he should be docked the wages and made to face the music by coming back to work each day.

If he's been employed for less than a year he can terminated for farting as far as my understanding of HR law goes. I've only had to let two people go this year!
 
...lots of varying advice there Loz......................might I ask what you decided to do?


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Loz,
If you know your mate well then put yourself in his situation - would you want to know if anyone, let alone a friend, had their property damaged by one of your workers? If he can't take care of a GS wheel and expensive tyre then how the h3ll does he treat other wheels and tyres? It shows a lack of respect for property and owner. I wouldn't expect to keep my job if I did a rubbish job, damaged property and was deceitful. It'll be your mate's decision about whether he stays or not, but would you keep a shoddy worker who didn't have the balls to own up to a mistake? There are thousands of people out there who would love this guy's job as they don't have one. You can bet they'd be so thakful to find employment that they'd treat every job as if it was their own property!
 
Paco said:
Ok here's me playing Devil's advocate, how do you know the young lad didn't wheel you over the good one on purpose? Did he have the opportunity to do a classic "switch" ??!!! If the 17 year old made a naive error it can be forgiven - not excused, but fogiven. If the 40+ bloke hasn't learned to be honest yet he has problems.

I agree the duplicity is the issue, not the damage - sh1t happens so you apologise and offer to sort it, and everyone should be reasonable with no firings. But to stick the damagfed tyre in the boot and hope to get away with it is out of order - he shouldn't be fired but he should be docked the wages and made to face the music by coming back to work each day.

If he's been employed for less than a year he can terminated for farting as far as my understanding of HR law goes. I've only had to let two people go this year!
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Was definately the older guy Paco, the younger chap did his first, which was the blow out wheel , maybe because of that it came off easier and hence was first on the balancing machine whilst the older guy was still taking the old tire off the other wheel , so i know 100% it was the older guy ,

well i told my mate , on condition that he doesn't sack anyone before xmas , he 's said the wheel refurb will be paid for when ever i choose to get it done , my mate wasn't happy about not be able to ball him out straight away , but understood where im coming from , so he's giving him 2 weeks notice on friday

regards loz
 
suprised when you said that the guy was 40 odd , have to agree with paco here. if you are not man enough to put your hand up to your f*ck up at that age you never will. altho its never a happy end when the family suffers as well.
 
...as in a lot of situations guys....damned if you do and damned if you don't......usually its a loose, loose...... win situation.................never satisfactory......not sure Loz/Rob, what I would have done, but things need rectified if messed up.


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dem maser said:
so hes gettin sacked??
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Yes but with notice sort of makes me feel if he has family then he'll atleast have some money for xmas , i can live with a chipped wheel for a while , in comparrison its no big deal but still gutted



Good news re your vreddies Dem , bet she'lll love the ne w shoes



regards loz
 
To fly in the face of everyone agreeing....getting news a few days before Christmas that you're being sacked for a minor mistake seems harsh. I appreciate the principle and the sentiment, but on the other hand it's only a wheel - and there are various options that whilst not excusing, might explain (e.g. didn't realise it wasn't existing damage, did realise but couldn't afford it, was worried what his boss might say, was worried that it was a friend of his boss etc etc)...as I say, they don't excuse shoddy work, but everyone makes mistakes and not everyone owns up to them at the time...and then maybe it's too late!

Perhaps it'll work out for the best...not sure I'd want to work for someone that was so ready to sack his team rather than look for the root cause and resolve! It's certainly not how I manage my staff.

Sorry, not meaning to be argumentative!
 
nigw said:
To fly in the face of everyone agreeing....getting news a few days before Christmas that you're being sacked for a minor mistake seems harsh. I appreciate the principle and the sentiment, but on the other hand it's only a wheel - and there are various options that whilst not excusing, might explain (e.g. didn't realise it wasn't existing damage, did realise but couldn't afford it, was worried what his boss might say, was worried that it was a friend of his boss etc etc)...as I say, they don't excuse shoddy work, but everyone makes mistakes and not everyone owns up to them at the time...and then maybe it's too late!

Perhaps it'll work out for the best...not sure I'd want to work for someone that was so ready to sack his team rather than look for the root cause and resolve! It's certainly not how I manage my staff.

Sorry, not meaning to be argumentative!
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Nige sentiments appreciated , it was a hard one whichever way i went , worse was that it was a freebie so i felt double bad , from my memory he hadn't worked there that long , where as the young lad had been there a few years , he really should have known better tho and at the very least of said something , the rims were virtually mint being onlt refurbed not too long ago , and i did make a point initially for the lads to take care of them ,


regards loz
 
Nig it's a fair enough point. I suspect him sacking the guy so readily is that he has not been happy with his work for a while. I mean, there are both good and bad staff. If this fella was a good one then I think he would have not sacked him so readily.
 
nigw said:
To fly in the face of everyone agreeing....getting news a few days before Christmas that you're being sacked for a minor mistake seems harsh. I appreciate the principle and the sentiment, but on the other hand it's only a wheel - and there are various options that whilst not excusing, might explain (e.g. didn't realise it wasn't existing damage, did realise but couldn't afford it, was worried what his boss might say, was worried that it was a friend of his boss etc etc)...as I say, they don't excuse shoddy work, but everyone makes mistakes and not everyone owns up to them at the time...and then maybe it's too late!

Perhaps it'll work out for the best...not sure I'd want to work for someone that was so ready to sack his team rather than look for the root cause and resolve! It's certainly not how I manage my staff.

Sorry, not meaning to be argumentative!
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I share a similar view. If the guy made an honest mistake (they happen) then the manager needs to have words and pull him up. If I was the boss, I'd rather he buggered up a mates alloy when I know I can sort it without any backlash and a large dollp of understanding than a punter off the streets wheel. I've grown up beleiving, broadly, that there no such things as a bad employee, just bad management. If he's genuinely useless and this is an excuse to give him the flick, then thats a different story, but if not, IMO its harsh.

Dont judge someone by their mistakes, judge them on how they put them right.

Woody
 
Good points Woody (impressive faith in the human race though ;) ). If as an employer or boss you're not considered approachable then you will always miss opportunities to address issues and improve the performance of your company.
 
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....its a can of worms here guys.....so many unknowns and variables.............all comes down to someones elses belonging damaged.................not owned up to.....action has to be taken........

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thats some faith there woody....im on the fence...i think he should have been pulled up and dealt with but at the same time i see your point...

matt is right though....if he was good at his job he wouldnt have sacked him straight away..must have had doubts from before....
 
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