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Loz, Tell your mate and see what he says. He may agree to damage the other one for free so that you have a matching pair :-> Duncan
....Duncan...its a good job you know Loz well....lol.........



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Loz, Tell your mate and see what he says. He may agree to damage the other one for free so that you have a matching pair :-> Duncan
Ok here's me playing Devil's advocate, how do you know the young lad didn't wheel you over the good one on purpose? Did he have the opportunity to do a classic "switch" ??!!! If the 17 year old made a naive error it can be forgiven - not excused, but fogiven. If the 40+ bloke hasn't learned to be honest yet he has problems.
I agree the duplicity is the issue, not the damage - sh1t happens so you apologise and offer to sort it, and everyone should be reasonable with no firings. But to stick the damagfed tyre in the boot and hope to get away with it is out of order - he shouldn't be fired but he should be docked the wages and made to face the music by coming back to work each day.
If he's been employed for less than a year he can terminated for farting as far as my understanding of HR law goes. I've only had to let two people go this year!
so hes gettin sacked??
To fly in the face of everyone agreeing....getting news a few days before Christmas that you're being sacked for a minor mistake seems harsh. I appreciate the principle and the sentiment, but on the other hand it's only a wheel - and there are various options that whilst not excusing, might explain (e.g. didn't realise it wasn't existing damage, did realise but couldn't afford it, was worried what his boss might say, was worried that it was a friend of his boss etc etc)...as I say, they don't excuse shoddy work, but everyone makes mistakes and not everyone owns up to them at the time...and then maybe it's too late!
Perhaps it'll work out for the best...not sure I'd want to work for someone that was so ready to sack his team rather than look for the root cause and resolve! It's certainly not how I manage my staff.
Sorry, not meaning to be argumentative!
I share a similar view. If the guy made an honest mistake (they happen) then the manager needs to have words and pull him up. If I was the boss, I'd rather he buggered up a mates alloy when I know I can sort it without any backlash and a large dollp of understanding than a punter off the streets wheel. I've grown up beleiving, broadly, that there no such things as a bad employee, just bad management. If he's genuinely useless and this is an excuse to give him the flick, then thats a different story, but if not, IMO its harsh.To fly in the face of everyone agreeing....getting news a few days before Christmas that you're being sacked for a minor mistake seems harsh. I appreciate the principle and the sentiment, but on the other hand it's only a wheel - and there are various options that whilst not excusing, might explain (e.g. didn't realise it wasn't existing damage, did realise but couldn't afford it, was worried what his boss might say, was worried that it was a friend of his boss etc etc)...as I say, they don't excuse shoddy work, but everyone makes mistakes and not everyone owns up to them at the time...and then maybe it's too late!
Perhaps it'll work out for the best...not sure I'd want to work for someone that was so ready to sack his team rather than look for the root cause and resolve! It's certainly not how I manage my staff.
Sorry, not meaning to be argumentative!
which is open to serious abuse! Hey-ho....... (impressive faith in the human race though)....