It's alarming how right wing this forum is - look after number one seems to be the mantra.
I'm in the stay-in camp at the moment but if somebody could explain why we should vote no without scaremongering about ISIS invasions, Immigration meltdown and straight bananas I'd at least have a reason to vote.
USA without Texas would just be a bit odd, which is my starting point for Europe and the EU.
Yup, reading this thread, it seems like the only reason for leaving is anger at the late Edward Heath "conning" us into joining a Common Market which has subsequently morphed into a European Union. People seem to want to leave just to get back at Heath. Any arguments that we, in our generation, didn't get the vote on this matter are equally specious; I never voted on the Act of Union 1707, which we've lived with ever since.
The fear of ISIS coming over in droves are just too silly to discuss. How would being out of the EU change our ability, or otherwise, to stop ISIS at our borders? The fact that the 7/7 bombers were born and bread and buttered in the UK also seems to be conveniently ignored.
The example of Norway is usually trotted out by people who think everything will be rosy outside of the Union. Firstly Norway has benefitted from a left-wing socialised model of husbandry which has used its considerable oil wealth to create a national investment fund, rather than our right wing governments (I count Labour too) who spunked our equivalent North Sea oil revenue on foreign wars and lining their friends' pockets. Norway thus finds itself very wealthy and would be in a good place regardless of its views on the EU.
Secondly, Norway continually debates whether they should join or not. They find being outside very burdensome because in order to trade with the EU they have to comply with all EU law and norms - but they have no say on framing those rules. Eventually they will join, because they need to have some leverage.
The idea that the governance in Brussels is any worse than in Westminster is ludicrous. One only needs to look at the HS2 fiasco where 82% of the electorate don't want it but it was conceived by our unelected Lord Adonis and his mates, our elected betters, are ramming it through anyway mainly because Osbourne's father-in-law stands to make an obscene amount of money. One of countless examples.
The idea of the EU was actually created by Winston Churchill whom no one could ever accuse of being anything less than a loyal subject of the Crown, a true conservative, and a proud Englishman. He saw the purpose to it, that purpose still stands.