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Saigon said:
To be exact, it’s 90 days in a rolling 180. This has always been the law, it’s not a new thing that is coming in 2021. It is just that from 2021 onward entry and exit will be logged, unlike now. That is why so many expats have been in a panic for the past year or so because they are already living permanently and illegally in Europe and have been rushing to get residency before 2021. But note, once you take residency you can then only come back into the UK for 90 days in any rolling 180 days. It works both ways, always has but was never policed by immigration.
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Sorry but I disagree with this.

In most EU states residency ie PR is gained after 5 years living in an EU state. If you take residency and assuming you are a UK citizen you can return to UK as long as you like, you are still a UK citizen, taxation etc issues notwithstanding.

And what do you mean 'already living permanently and illegally in Europe'? I'm a UK expat living in Belgium and I'm fully legal, anyone is so long as they register etc, could you expand?
 
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My mother has lived in Spain for over 25 years and has residency so she can use the health service for free. She tells me that after 1st Jan she will no longer be able to come to UK and use our health service for free. She doesn't know what else will affect her.
 
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Davidt99 said:
My mother has lived in Spain for over 25 years and has residency so she can use the health service for free. She tells me that after 1st Jan she will no longer be able to come to UK and use our health service for free. She doesn't know what else will affect her.
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For me that's correct and how it should be even if you have paid many years into the UK system.
For me I now use the French Health system and no complaints at all.
I would only use the NHS if I had an accident on a visit.
 
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Davidt99 said:
My mother has lived in Spain for over 25 years and has residency so she can use the health service for free. She tells me that after 1st Jan she will no longer be able to come to UK and use our health service for free. She doesn't know what else will affect her.
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That is true. I think it's either 3 or 6 months before you can. Price of Brexit.....

On a side note health service here is weird (Belgium), it's free but you pay up front and claim back. But most subscribe to a 'Mutuelle' which negates all that so no payment up front, they sort it, and it's like 4 Euro a month. Or 6 if you want private room if hospitalised etc, and it seems dentistry is included at no cost, and from what my landlord tells me, so is laser eye surgery cos he just had it.
 
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Wanderer said:
Sorry but I disagree with this.



And what do you mean 'already living permanently and illegally in Europe'? I'm a UK expat living in Belgium and I'm fully legal, anyone is so long as they register etc, could you expand?
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Hi Wanderer, as an example many thousands have decided to move to Spain and are living there permanently, they have sold up in the UK, bought a property and now living there full time. Some retired and some not, but all foreigners wishing to enter Spain to reside, reside and work or study require a long term visa to allow them to stay longer than the 90 days. (Come 2021 we are foreigners) Many bothered to obtain this visa When they went to Spain, but many have not bothered, it’s not just a matter of filling in a form, you need to prove that you can support yourself and your family, proof of income, bank balance, private medical insurance unless you are retired. (And that will no longer apply if we leave with no deal, private medical insurance will be mandatory)
Those who did not bother are the ones in a panic to obtain the long term visa before 2021. If like your self they have complied with all the requirements of the country to date, and have the visa, no problem. Post Brexit with no deal it may be impossible for a lot of people to meet the new requirements financially, much more stringent. But, they may already have been living there for years with no visa, come 2021 immigration will check and if you do not have a long term visa, 90 days in a rolling 180 will be adhered to.
 
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rivarama said:
Have you asked yourself the question why they don’t want to be in the room ?
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Yes.....which is why we should walk away, for now at least. Having Merkel in the room with Macron would help to 'moderate' Macron's emotional outbursts and might actually help to provide a bit more objectivity to the negotiations. But as I think you're implying, the EU is 'running scared' in case this risks the wider break up and dissolution of the EU as we know it today. Something which I think is inevitable if I'm reading the 'mood music' right.
 
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Am I right in thinking that Fishing is the main sticking point?
So an export industry worth around $288m has scuppered the car export industry worth $41bn.

Well done Boris for the oven ready deal and free dinner with Ursula.
 
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midlifecrisis said:
Am I right in thinking that Fishing is the main sticking point?
So an export industry worth around $288m has scuppered the car export industry worth $41bn.

Well done Boris for the oven ready deal and free dinner with Ursula.
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I think it's one of them.
I think the funniest part is that fact that we sell 75% of our fish to the EU.
But with No Deal, we won't be able to at the prices we do now as a huge tariff will be put on our fish, which will make it uneconomical for them to buy it.

But hey. It's what they voted for, so no point complaining.
 
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midlifecrisis said:
Am I right in thinking that Fishing is the main sticking point?
So an export industry worth around $288m has scuppered the car export industry worth $41bn.

Well done Boris for the oven ready deal and free dinner with Ursula.
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I don't think it's just the fishing, although that does seem disproportionately important. I believe there's some minor bits and bobs like sovereignty of our waters (not just fishing) and creating new laws and automatically punishing us for them.

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Saigon said:
Hi Wanderer, as an example many thousands have decided to move to Spain and are living there permanently, they have sold up in the UK, bought a property and now living there full time. Some retired and some not, but all foreigners wishing to enter Spain to reside, reside and work or study require a long term visa to allow them to stay longer than the 90 days. (Come 2021 we are foreigners) Many bothered to obtain this visa When they went to Spain, but many have not bothered, it’s not just a matter of filling in a form, you need to prove that you can support yourself and your family, proof of income, bank balance, private medical insurance unless you are retired. (And that will no longer apply if we leave with no deal, private medical insurance will be mandatory)
Those who did not bother are the ones in a panic to obtain the long term visa before 2021. If like your self they have complied with all the requirements of the country to date, and have the visa, no problem. Post Brexit with no deal it may be impossible for a lot of people to meet the new requirements financially, much more stringent. But, they may already have been living there for years with no visa, come 2021 immigration will check and if you do not have a long term visa, 90 days in a rolling 180 will be adhered to.
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Ah yes I get you now, I'm in BE now trying to get my papers all sorted, guess some just historically have turned up and never bother registering etc....
 
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It was never going to be easy to leave with a deal. I voted to stay but accept that the leave vote won whether that’s the right thing is another matter. The thing is now we are being punished by the eu for having the audacity to leave in the first place. Other countries are eyeing up these negotiations before they follow us and the eu know this. If they make it easy for us then a whole raft of countries will be jumping on the bandwagon.
 
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Simon1963 said:
It was never going to be easy to leave with a deal. I voted to stay but accept that the leave vote won whether that’s the right thing is another matter. The thing is now we are being punished by the eu for having the audacity to leave in the first place. Other countries are eyeing up these negotiations before they follow us and the eu know this. If they make it easy for us then a whole raft of countries will be jumping on the bandwagon.
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I'm not sure it's to punish us. I think they are just looking out for the interests of the 27 notions that make up the EU.

Why would you do the UK any favours and make any agreement you have now worse, and give the UK a competitive advantage over their member states.

Look at it from their side, if Germany want to leave and we were still part of the EU, would you do them any favours?
 
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midlifecrisis said:
Am I right in thinking that Fishing is the main sticking point?
So an export industry worth around $288m has scuppered the car export industry worth $41bn.

Well done Boris for the oven ready deal and free dinner with Ursula.
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Not just fishing....more seriously (depending on your point of view of course) is the EU want to tie us to their rules and regulations to allow us to trade with them and they want a level playing field in terms of competition rules which will limit the level of assistance any future UK govt can provide to companies to win work and save/ generate jobs. Both of these conditions massively compromise UK's sovereignty and UK's ability to act independently to the EU. Can't see the EU changing their stance and we won't want to become a vassal state, always subservient to the EU, so I suspect UK will walk away with a 'no deal'.
Oh yes and there was also some talk about the EU policing compliance and fining the UK for any contraventions.
 
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