BIG SEDAN CHALLENGE VIDEO
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midlifecrisis
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$10,900 for a QPV, and $5 for a VW Phaeton. This got me thinking. How much would you get for the drive train and then convert to electric? 
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Phaeton is an under-rated bit of kit especially the W12 6.0 version, found myself looking at W8 Passats again this weekend as it's another sleeper that often goes unnoticed.
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I also love the W8. But hard to find one in good shape, that is not blue with a black interior! Quite a lot of imports in the UK, now.
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Mine was blue with ivory interior, i would have another but not with a dark interior it. Only want the estate version and keep an eye on the import traders who bring them in from Japan. ideally I would like one of the NI Police versions which were manual estates but its a bit needle in the haystack searching to find one.
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I have been watching this series.
They both seem very against the QP and generally Maserati. Latest video was a bit of the stereotypical Maseratis are unreliable, make weird noises blah blah despite their car not having any problems... So why not over come your preconseptions they both admit that they are enjoying the car.
On the flip side they are both jizzing over the VW which has needed work done to it
They both seem very against the QP and generally Maserati. Latest video was a bit of the stereotypical Maseratis are unreliable, make weird noises blah blah despite their car not having any problems... So why not over come your preconseptions they both admit that they are enjoying the car.
On the flip side they are both jizzing over the VW which has needed work done to it
I owned a W12 Phaeton for a few years - and loved it. It is a bit of an "old man's car" but I don't care, it is built like a bank vault. The W12 power was turbine-smooth and it never seemed to run out of steam. It was klavierlak black with tan interior. The klavierlak paint is smooth as glass and was an expensive option, as it was hand sanded and buffed at the factory - even the door jams were done. I installed a set of Bentley wheels and the car looked awesome. Some Phaetons can be money pits, kind of hit or miss. Mine was rock solid with no real issues. I still miss that car to this day.
I'm on my second Quattroporte now. My first one was a 2006 Sport-GT and it was a very good car, it's important to know how to drive the duo-select to maximize clutch life, but they are a joy and very engaging. My current QP is the last of the Generation-V cars and has been a very good car...no regrets.
I'm on my second Quattroporte now. My first one was a 2006 Sport-GT and it was a very good car, it's important to know how to drive the duo-select to maximize clutch life, but they are a joy and very engaging. My current QP is the last of the Generation-V cars and has been a very good car...no regrets.
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Was just thinking that. Maahoosive.
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Yes the Phaeton is big, but no larger than say....a cadillac or similar luxury barge. I had an O2 sensor that would occasionally throw a code, and the only way to get to it was to drop the engine-trans out of the car, so I just kept clearing it out....and eventually the issue never returned. That was the ONLY issue I had with the Phaeton. An interesting thing about the W12 Phaeton in 2004 is that it used the old 5-Speed automatic, where as the Audi A8 W12 used the new 6-Speed. The older 5-Speed wasn't up to the task of handling the torque of the W12, so the power and torque were electronically limited in low gear, but once in second gear that big tank of a car could really move. I think in year 2005 the Phaeton also got the 6-Speed as well.
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The feeling that something could go wrong at any moment is part of the excitement of driving these fine Italian cars. Over the years I've owned several Maseratis and Ferraris, I do all service work, and the cars have been quite robust. I think it's the little gizmos that break, but the big important things are built pretty well. I feel that same as MarkMas, but the rewards of these great cars far exceeds the "what if's".
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Agreed. However I never have driven any modern Maser or any other high performance car worried, concerned or expecting it to break. Most modern cars are generally pretty strong. Mainly core mechanicals such as engines, gearboxes,.diffs etc.are all pretty robust.
Try owning a TVR.....that is the only car I drive and expect at.some point something will break or fail or not work. Mainly as TVR's were not honed and developed with lavish budgets at design/manufacturing stages to anywhere the levels of mainstream manufacturers, Maserati included.
Most modern stuff in the main is pretty good. Many of these cars were £75k-£100k and beyond for good reason. There weren't expensive for no reason. So many of these cars have bad press because of lazy journalism, pub talk, opinion and otherwise. Often with little true numbers, facts or stats to backup or warrant these claims.
I tend to stay away from cars that do have too many known or weak areas. I would love another E60 M5 or maybe an E63 M6 but I have stayed away as the downsides seem a little too great to the upsides compared to other alternatives.
Is the SMG box or DS or CC box so bad? No, not IMHO. People have short memories on how bad cars used to be. Or get too caught up in wanting a 'perfect' car. To me a perfect car is boring, characterless and less engaging to drive or own because if it. Ironically it's this perfection that is the the very thing that makes it fail to be perfect as a car to drive and own. On the flip side a car that is not perfect to me makes it more of a perfect car than a perfect car.
Makes me laugh when all these journos and you tubers hark on about how bad the DS or CC gearbox is. Is it? Is it really? No it isn't. You just need to learn how to drive it. It is a manual not an auto.....get over it. If you get in a conventional three pedal stick shift manual and drive it badly it will surprising not drive very well. Mind blown! It is not the gearboxes fault.....it is the driver.
Any drivers that want a perfect car buy a DCT Audi/BMW or Tesla. For people who want an interesting car to own and drive then we get to dine on a ton of lovely things. In the current climate and due to half the world wanting perfect cars these are now for buttons to our advantage. If I could I would buy more. I could easily have 20 cars. They also likely would still only cost circa £150k for all 20 of them!
Try owning a TVR.....that is the only car I drive and expect at.some point something will break or fail or not work. Mainly as TVR's were not honed and developed with lavish budgets at design/manufacturing stages to anywhere the levels of mainstream manufacturers, Maserati included.
Most modern stuff in the main is pretty good. Many of these cars were £75k-£100k and beyond for good reason. There weren't expensive for no reason. So many of these cars have bad press because of lazy journalism, pub talk, opinion and otherwise. Often with little true numbers, facts or stats to backup or warrant these claims.
I tend to stay away from cars that do have too many known or weak areas. I would love another E60 M5 or maybe an E63 M6 but I have stayed away as the downsides seem a little too great to the upsides compared to other alternatives.
Is the SMG box or DS or CC box so bad? No, not IMHO. People have short memories on how bad cars used to be. Or get too caught up in wanting a 'perfect' car. To me a perfect car is boring, characterless and less engaging to drive or own because if it. Ironically it's this perfection that is the the very thing that makes it fail to be perfect as a car to drive and own. On the flip side a car that is not perfect to me makes it more of a perfect car than a perfect car.
Makes me laugh when all these journos and you tubers hark on about how bad the DS or CC gearbox is. Is it? Is it really? No it isn't. You just need to learn how to drive it. It is a manual not an auto.....get over it. If you get in a conventional three pedal stick shift manual and drive it badly it will surprising not drive very well. Mind blown! It is not the gearboxes fault.....it is the driver.
Any drivers that want a perfect car buy a DCT Audi/BMW or Tesla. For people who want an interesting car to own and drive then we get to dine on a ton of lovely things. In the current climate and due to half the world wanting perfect cars these are now for buttons to our advantage. If I could I would buy more. I could easily have 20 cars. They also likely would still only cost circa £150k for all 20 of them!
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There isn’t one, the biggest engine they did was 5.0l in the 5000GT they did for the Shah of Persia, reckon they made about 25 of those.
Ghiblis were 4.7l. Boras and I think Ghibli SS were 4.9l.
The six cylinders 3 or 3.5l and the V8 in the 450s 4.5l