Are you worried yet.

[D Walker]

I believe the aim is 1 million a week, problem is you can only administer what you have.
The jab from Belgium has had to cut its production forecast ( raw materials), the oxford one isn’t approved, however 10k people apparently recruited to deliver.
On the calculator, at 1m a week, with a take up of 72% I look like getting it somewhere between June/August, there are between 25/28 million in front of me.

 

[CatmanV2]

I suspect once they get to a certain percentage of population vaccination, I think I’ve seen 20-30% quoted, restrictions will be able to be lifted. That’s assuming, the vaccines are effective against the mutated strains, which the scientists believe to be the case. I believe Government are doing the right things at the moment in terms of balancing all the priorities. No doubt, if this turns out not to be true, plans will have to change

1mm per week soon. That will reduce mortality by 99% by end of March

C

 

[rockits]

I understand there seems to be delays but as Dan will tell you (I'm no natural salesman) it is about finding ways/answers/solutions to knock down walls to achieve the desired outcome.

I'm 2020 in the UK there should be no walls we cannot get over or around or just quite simply blow to smitherines.

I get bored of people making excuses all the time of I can't do this because of this or that. It is tiresome and part of the reason we have this rich and poor divide widening (not the only reason clearly) is that entrepreneurial people just find a way to get to the desired goal and get to the end goal with their just (not always!) reward for doing so.

Our politicians have no sense of responsibility it seems and don't seem to be wired or driven in the same way. We need hard-nosed drivers and deliverers. Not just people doing an average job at best.

Excuses are.just that. Find a bl00dy way!

 

[Swedish Paul]

Sure.
Many of the vulnerable are in care homes. They remain there and visiting areas are created- behind glass to ensure they’re protected.
Other vulnerable who aren’t in such have a choice. Wear all the ppe you feel you need and go out/ socially distance/ carry on as normal as possible or if u feel that is too dangerous stay at home.
Personal choice.
Relatives visiting can still be done- via windows if it’s considered too dangerous to go inside.
Bit like it is now really where they can’t see their grandkids etc

If this situation is that bad that we need special shops where things are disinfected then normal will never return.
No one could ever pick up anything again.
Wear your gloves/mask/ wash your hands/ wash your food if you’re that paranoid.

This thing is not going away- Pfizer ceo suggested 10 years plus a day or so ago.

For the huge majority it isn’t dangerous.



I’m not antagonizing any more than you are. We just have opposing views. I think it’s irresponsible that the government cure being handed out is far worse than the disease.

Surely though, you have to admit that at 70000 odd dead so far, proposing letting folks sort themselves out and maybe resulting in 2-3 million dead is intolerable for any government. Because if they’d have done this from the start, this is the probable scenario.

 

[Ali355]

I think the recurring theme for.me and a really frustrating one is how slow we always seem to be at achieving the confirmed end goal.

Boris and his idiots always seem to delay when there is no point and delays always have impacts. Brexit negotiations were slow and delayed. A reaction to the Kent lorry situation was slow and delayed.

Now we have a slow and low speed of vaccine rollout. It is not acceptable. We should be doing 1m vaccinations a day at whatever cost to scale up. At least 1m a week. I'm not sure what percentage of the population is either unemployed or furloughed but you have a heck of a lot of people sitting on their backsides doing squat.

Get them trained and get them helping to administrator a vaccine asap. This should be like a war effort where we all come together to get these vaccines rolled at asap.

Why does everything take so bl00dy long in this country to ever do or achieve anything?!

We've made the right decision I feel here. Now just do it full steam ahead. Why do we need to delay or so it slow. We have been told it will work and is safe and is being rolled out. Why take 2 years or longer when you could do it in much less time? Surely speed is in the essence.

A positive case for Maserati's everywhere I feel

Long time lurker in this thread first time poster. Also happen to work for NHS England, not directly on vaccine roll out but close enough to know a little of what is going on.

Setting aside the political dimension of making timely decisions, (which I tend to absolutely agree with you on) the vaccine roll out speed right now is determined by the rate at which we are receiving the Pfizer vaccine. Remember we’ve been granted a v small initial allocation, 800k was the figure previously mentioned in the press. To date around 600k of over 80s and some frontline nhs and social care staff have been vaccinated. Given its a 2 dose vaccine that implies we have been able to get a little bit more, but still the numbers are tiny compared to what we need. However the MHRA are expected to approve the Oxford/AZ vaccine imminently and that’s the one that the uk govt have bet heavily on. The reasoning is sound, it’s cheaper, and easier to transport, alongside it being politically better as we can plaster a Union Jack over it. Once that is approved and starts to ship out we will see the rapid acceleration required.

My personal view is that if MHRA approval is granted before Friday, by about 4 weeks in we will have moved from not enough vaccine and too many people who wanted it, to not enough people who want it and too much vaccine.

There was an earlier comment talking about Wales and questioning the impact of their lockdown, the reason for their apparent acceleration in cases was a data issue which was resolved, that caused a sudden leap in cases

Delay in reporting 11,000 positive Covid tests 'undermines Welsh government'

Computer maintenance led to cases being missed from December’s public health statistics

www.google.co.uk

 

[rockits]

That's great news and thanks for posting Ali355

This is my point I guess in that the UK govt knew how many they needed, knew how many they ordered and should have known how many they can get and when.

At this point when you know it isn't enough quick enough it is disrespectful to all UK citizens to either tell them anything different to what they know. Or not try all other possible avenues to decrease the rollout timeframe to what is required. I just do not trust the UK govt at all now on anything they tell me due to the complete lack of honest truthful information that has been given.

They could tell me the sky is blue and I'd have to question it at the moment. That is a sorry state of affairs. This has not just happened over days, weeks, months or even a couple of years. It has built up and happened over my 48 years on this planet and in this country.

I just do not feel they are trying hard enough, fast enough, good enough to what could be achieved if the desire or political will was there. They are just not good enough quite simply. That is not acceptable IMHO.

If we can can achieve more, quicker, better, faster then we should. We all know now as the govt and BoE have clearly shown all their cards and hands that money is not a limiting factor. They are prepared to take all and any necessary fiscal/monetary steps to do whatever is required. This is great (although the cost will need to be met at some point of course!) so the limiting factor is elsewhere. If the Oxford vaccine is what we need to do then it should be done already.

I am a very patient person more than anyone I know or have ever known.. if we need time then I have no issue with this. However I am also on the flip side a very impatient person when things can be achieved. If it can be done then we should do it. If it cannot be done and nerds time to get there through multiple steps so be it. I don't feel however that we have done anything here as quick as.we.could have.

We always seem to delay and there is a price every time for these delays. Why?

 

[Scaf]

Lots of videos surfacing showing China disinfecting streets and queues miles long for tests, so it’s not just Europe that is being bitten on the backside by wave 2.
Government modelling shared with my profession months ago predicted wave 2 would be cause fewer deaths per day but for longer, thus causing more excess deaths than wave 1 - it looks like it’s heading that way.
So many people think that if they were going to get it, they would have had it by now and have let their guard down, they should be careful what they wish for.
I completely agree with Dean that the vaccine role out is ridiculously slow and we should get the Oxford vaccine signed off and ramp up the programme.

 

[CatmanV2]

1mm per week soon. That will reduce mortality by 99% by end of March

C

Another set of figures I read indicates that lockdowns may cease 'by Feb'

That would be nice

C

 

[Scaf]

My personal view is that if MHRA approval is granted before Friday, by about 4 weeks in we will have moved from not enough vaccine and too many people who wanted it, to not enough people who want it and too much vaccine.

Delay in reporting 11,000 positive Covid tests 'undermines Welsh government'

Computer maintenance led to cases being missed from December’s public health statistics

www.google.co.uk

I hope that is the case and it good to hear from someone close to the action so to speak, but my fear is that we will have lots of vaccine and those that what it won’t be able to get access to it.

So all those prioritised (quite rightly) but might not want it will create a massive delay for those not prioritised but wantinto it, and the systems and Government incompetence will add to the delays - I hope I am wrong.

 

[Felonious Crud]

That's great news and thanks for posting Ali355

This is my point I guess in that the UK govt knew how many they needed, knew how many they ordered and should have known how many they can get and when.

At this point when you know it isn't enough quick enough it is disrespectful to all UK citizens to either tell them anything different to what they know. Or not try all other possible avenues to decrease the rollout timeframe to what is required. I just do not trust the UK govt at all now on anything they tell me due to the complete lack of honest truthful information that has been given.

They could tell me the sky is blue and I'd have to question it at the moment. That is a sorry state of affairs. This has not just happened over days, weeks, months or even a couple of years. It has built up and happened over my 48 years on this planet and in this country.

I just do not feel they are trying hard enough, fast enough, good enough to what could be achieved if the desire or political will was there. They are just not good enough quite simply. That is not acceptable IMHO.

If we can can achieve more, quicker, better, faster then we should. We all know now as the govt and BoE have clearly shown all their cards and hands that money is not a limiting factor. They are prepared to take all and any necessary fiscal/monetary steps to do whatever is required. This is great (although the cost will need to be met at some point of course!) so the limiting factor is elsewhere. If the Oxford vaccine is what we need to do then it should be done already.

I am a very patient person more than anyone I know or have ever known.. if we need time then I have no issue with this. However I am also on the flip side a very impatient person when things can be achieved. If it can be done then we should do it. If it cannot be done and nerds time to get there through multiple steps so be it. I don't feel however that we have done anything here as quick as.we.could have.

We always seem to delay and there is a price every time for these delays. Why?

Reminds me of Bismarck's statement to never believe anything until it is officially denied.

 

[Scaf]

You have to love our great country, due to the pressures on the London Ambulance Service they have just made an appeal on BBC for people only to use 999 to call an Ambulance in an emergency.

 

[CatmanV2]

You have to love our great country, due to the pressures on the London Ambulance Service they have just made an appeal on BBC for people only to use 999 to call an Ambulance in an emergency.

Have you heard some of the calls that come into 999?

C

 

[Scaf]

I know - they are the people I love - not !!

We still send ambulances to known time wasters and need to get a grip.

I can’t watch any of those emergency based programmes or GP programmes - makes my blood boil.

love the NHS but time waters should receive a bill.

 

[CatmanV2]

I know - they are the people I love - not !!

We still send ambulances to known time wasters and need to get a grip.

I can’t watch any of those emergency based programmes or GP programmes - makes my blood boil.

love the NHS but time waters should receive a bill.

Hard to argue with that, chap

C

 

[dgmx5]

Long time lurker in this thread first time poster. Also happen to work for NHS England, not directly on vaccine roll out but close enough to know a little of what is going on.

Setting aside the political dimension of making timely decisions, (which I tend to absolutely agree with you on) the vaccine roll out speed right now is determined by the rate at which we are receiving the Pfizer vaccine. Remember we’ve been granted a v small initial allocation, 800k was the figure previously mentioned in the press. To date around 600k of over 80s and some frontline nhs and social care staff have been vaccinated. Given its a 2 dose vaccine that implies we have been able to get a little bit more, but still the numbers are tiny compared to what we need. However the MHRA are expected to approve the Oxford/AZ vaccine imminently and that’s the one that the uk govt have bet heavily on. The reasoning is sound, it’s cheaper, and easier to transport, alongside it being politically better as we can plaster a Union Jack over it. Once that is approved and starts to ship out we will see the rapid acceleration required.

My personal view is that if MHRA approval is granted before Friday, by about 4 weeks in we will have moved from not enough vaccine and too many people who wanted it, to not enough people who want it and too much vaccine.

There was an earlier comment talking about Wales and questioning the impact of their lockdown, the reason for their apparent acceleration in cases was a data issue which was resolved, that caused a sudden leap in cases

Delay in reporting 11,000 positive Covid tests 'undermines Welsh government'

Computer maintenance led to cases being missed from December’s public health statistics

www.google.co.uk

Long time lurkers often have greater perspective.

There is an assumption by many that everyone will want to be vaccinated. Vaccinations, as a therapeutic approach, are generally efficacious and cheap in comparison with small molecule drug therapies and has eradicated many life threatening diseases.

The impassioned plea of Roald Dahl for the vaccination of children was overtaken by the claims, and how these were construed, of Andrew Wakefield. Although there was a significant, in statistical rather than absolute terms, reduction in vaccination of children with the MMR vaccine, coming into the pandemic vaccination programmes were broadly on track.

Nonetheless, the MMR claims have allowed some skepticism to take hold regarding vaccinations per se and, more crucially, combined with an ever widening mistrust in government, I do think a significant proportion of the population will be wary of having the vaccine.

Not much will probably change that perception now either positively or negatively, save for an ill advised publicity stunt like when Gummer force fed a beefburger to his daughter during the BSE crisis.

The failure to sanction Cummings, the billions wasted on test and trace, the cronyism in not sacking Dido Harding, the sanctioning of Matt Hancock (twice) by the UK Statistics Authority, the prevarication in making tough choices to place people into lockdown or into tougher tiers to 'save Christmas', the distasteful hollering of how we are better than other countries for approving the vaccine earlier, will cause some people to question the narrative.

That lack of faith in government, nay a belief by some that the government cares not for or is even actively seeking to ruin the lives of certain classes, might prove the single biggest reason why the vaccine programme does not reach as widely as it should.

 

[Rwc13]

Of course, the perpetual fake news put out there by the conspiracy theorists, armchair experts, and anti-establishment set, and the constant media campaign to find any reason to criticism the Government, no matter what it does, just to have something to say in an attempt to still be relevant, has nothing to do with it. This thread is just another example of that

 

[rockits]

Of course, the perpetual fake news put out there by the conspiracy theorists, armchair experts, and anti-establishment set, and the constant media campaign to find any reason to criticism the Government, no matter what it does, just to have something to say in an attempt to still be relevant, has nothing to do with it. This thread is just another example of that

I'm confused as to what this post means or is trying to achieve. Did I miss something? Can you elaborate?

I feel this thread is very important in that we talk about all aspects of what it is discussing.

I'd love a chance at doing Boris's job as not just talking about it I reckon I could walk the walk better than he has done..... genuinely.

I'd even do this so called impossible job for the same woeful salary I feel a PM gets. Christ....if I could afford to I'd even do it for free.

I don't bash the govt just for the sake of it. When they have severly fcked up they need to be told and be accountable. They have severly fcked up on too many occasions and I won't say otherwise when they have.

I've just found out one of my children is going back to school in January and one isn't! WTF?! It doesn't even make some sense.....it makes none! I'm livid with the idiots if I'm honest and that is not govt bashing or conspiracy theories. It is purely because they are senseless illogical idiots and this needs to be said. It is and they are not good enough. Get rid of the lot of them and get someone in who is actually capable and able to do the job.

 

[Rwc13]

I'm confused as to what this post means or is trying to achieve. Did I miss something? Can you elaborate?

I feel this thread is very important in that we talk about all aspects of what it is discussing.

I'd love a chance at doing Boris's job as not just talking about it I reckon I could walk the walk better than he has done..... genuinely.

I'd even do this so called impossible job for the same woeful salary I feel a PM gets. Christ....if I could afford to I'd even do it for free.

I don't bash the govt just for the sake of it. When they have severly fcked up they need to be told and be accountable. They have severly fcked up on too many occasions and I won't say otherwise when they have.

I've just found out one of my children is going back to school in January and one isn't! WTF?! It doesn't even make some sense.....it makes none! I'm livid with the idiots if I'm honest and that is not govt bashing or conspiracy theories. It is purely because they are senseless illogical idiots and this needs to be said. It is and they are not good enough. Get rid of the lot of them and get someone in who is actually capable and able to do the job.

You are the classic armchair expert, you talk about things you clearly know next to nothing about, based on your myopic view of the world, none of which does anything to help. And you’re full of good intentions about what you would do if you were in charge, but you’re clearly too busy posting the longest most verbose, arrogant and self congratulatory posts on here to do anything about it. If you are such a genius and so capable of solving all the worlds problems, why aren’t you in Government doing so, or at least running a multi-billion pound self-made business solving these problems?

 

[rockits]

You are the classic armchair expert, you talk about things you clearly know next to nothing about, based on your myopic view of the world, none of which does anything to help. And you’re full of good intentions about what you would do if you were in charge, but you’re clearly too busy posting the longest most verbose, arrogant and self congratulatory posts on here to do anything about it. If you are such a genius and so capable of solving all the worlds problems, why aren’t you in Government doing so, or at least running a multi-billion pound self-made business solving these problems?

Try looking in the mirror.....you might learn something. I'm not even going to rise to the bait and will just ignore you. I only listen to people I can respect and talk sense or have an open mind or can respect someone else's opinion.

You are clearly talking complete BS. You don't know me or anything about me and never will.

I'm going to go back to the top of my ladder freezing my **** off trying to get an office finished.

Go and join your mates in the UK Govt. You deserve each other.

For the first time in this forum I am searching out the block option!

Well done

 

[Wanderer]

You have to love our great country, due to the pressures on the London Ambulance Service they have just made an appeal on BBC for people only to use 999 to call an Ambulance in an emergency.

It's not 999 anymore - it's 0118 999 881 999 119 725 3 everybody knows that!