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Seems like MK has its own share of idiots , whats blatantly clear its not a rich poor divide thing , from around 12 last night untill 4 this morning you would of thought i had moved right next door to Silvestone , within probaly 2 miles of me all i could hear were probably 4/5 motor bikes and probably 4/5 cars using the local roads as a race track , all mega loud exhausts which isnt a problem for me under normal conditions . For 3 to 4 hours i was expecting to hear that fatal loud familar crash of an impact, .................fortunately it never came , but these idiots are endangering the lives and time of much needed services whether police or medical staff should they crash , it really is irresponsible
 
DaveT said:
Yes read that in the Times. Abu Dhabi national exhibition company or similar who own Excel unlike owners of NEC and others giving their venues for free.

Scandalous.
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They should be commandeered like wartime for free .........................its national necessity
 
nothing in the their newsletter about providing the venue foc other than giving the impression that they are sympathetic and helping, conveniently left out that they are still clawing in 3m a month for just the space presumably, bearing in mind that they couldn't operate any longer anyway and seem a fairly wealthy outfit, why still charge:mad:

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EXCEL LONDON TRANSFORMS INTO AN EMERGENCY FIELD HOSPITAL IN COLLABORATION WITH THE PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITIES IN THE UK | ADNEC Group

Abu Dhabi National Exhibitions Company (ADNEC), a subsidiary of ADQ, is co-operating with the public health authorities in the United Kingdom in turning ExCeL London, an exhibition venue within the...
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lifes2short said:
nothing in the their newsletter about providing the venue foc other than giving the impression that they are sympathetic and helping, conveniently left out that they are still clawing in 3m a month for just the space presumably, bearing in mind that they couldn't operate any longer anyway and seem a fairly wealthy outfit, why still charge:mad:

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EXCEL LONDON TRANSFORMS INTO AN EMERGENCY FIELD HOSPITAL IN COLLABORATION WITH THE PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITIES IN THE UK | ADNEC Group

Abu Dhabi National Exhibitions Company (ADNEC), a subsidiary of ADQ, is co-operating with the public health authorities in the United Kingdom in turning ExCeL London, an exhibition venue within the...
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Perhaps if we don’t complain and just pay nicely it will help secure some of the near-£1bn per annum of arms sales from UK to the UAE.

I’m not saying either is right or proper, by the way. That’s for you all to decide individually.
 
Wack61 said:
Just watching Andrew marr , the mirror editior said excel are charging the NHS £3m a month for nightingale

I didn't catch all of it but Jacob Reece mogg has a 15% share in a company that's benefiting from the crisis
Aparrently he sent a message to shareholders telling them this is an unprecedented opportunity for profit
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That’s a disgrace. He should have to answer for this. Or ideally get a bed in the nightingale with a ‘Pragmatic’ team of carers
 
iainw said:
That’s a disgrace. He should have to answer for this. Or ideally get a bed in the nightingale with a ‘Pragmatic’ team of carers
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As I said I didn't catch all of it, looks like he's not directly involved but still pretty insensitive and it may have been a company comment not him directly

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Jacob Rees Mogg's firm set to make fortune from the coronavirus crisis

EXCLUSIVE: Somerset Capital Management, which the MP co-founded, says market volatility offers a “once or twice in a generation” opportunity to make “super normal returns”
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Tory toff Jacob Rees-Mogg’s firm stands to make a fortune out of the turmoil caused by the coronavirus crisis.


The MP owns at least 15 per cent of a company investing in businesses hit by falling share values.



Somerset Capital Management says investors have a “once in a generation” chance of “super normal returns”.


Mr Rees-Mogg stood down as a director of SCM to become Leader of the House of Commons. SCM said it was focusing on clients’ long-term security.


It came as the UK death toll rose by a record 708 – including a boy aged five.


As millions face financial misery, SCM managers are buying into businesses where valuations have tumbled – but should bounce back. Potential gains of 500 per cent are touted.
 
I think after the dust has settled it would be good to name and either shame or applaud some businesses or business people's reactions with what support or profiteering was offered/gained.

It would allow people to decide if they want to support that business moving forward. Kind of vote with your feet. I would certainly support having some options to decide what kind of businesses I want to support.

We are starting to get more information and data to make better informed decisions on what we buy and who we buy from. If we can make this more transparent and give people some easy and quick to access data on this to make solid informed decisions it has to be a good step forward.

Sounds like the basis for a possible business for someone right there I would guess.

I have no issues with companies making standard market charges for their wares as they do have costs and staff to pay. For anyone to clearly profiteer I am not sure this is so ethical or morally correct.

There was a plan the Jürgen Klopp was supporting to take a 30% pay cut that I feel the Premiership and FIFA/EUFA could effectively impose or forcibly apply to the club's. There are a few sportsmen/women who have taken it upon themselves to donate some sizeable monies to the cause which is fantastic. Trouble is many haven't. It is an extremely wealthy part of society at the top end. This is their chance to give a chunk back to says thanks to all those people who have supported their lucrative careers.

Jurgen Klopp seems like a decent guy to me and drives a very normal daily car unlike many of his players. Seems like a pretty grounded and decent guy.
 
I despise JRM but Somerset Capital, rather than JRM himself, are of course correct that the current crisis will offer opportunity for some and they have a duty to their investors to say so.

Johnson & Johnson have said that any vaccine will be produced not for profit. There will still be huge positive PR if they do.

Several on here have invested in Novacyte and others given the sharp upturn in share price, others will have invested in supermarkets that are doing well in the current climate, others will buy the dip in airlines etc that they assume will recover, many with sizeable assistance from government whether bail outs or simply furloughing.

The firm of solicitors I work for have furloughed nearly 1/3 of its staff... the equity partners have lost my respect for doing so, but why would you not if you can take a handout?

Society's scroungers, the benefit cheats and feckless, are not as far removed in their morality from their 'betters' as some would like to think.
 
rockits said:
I think after the dust has settled it would be good to name and either shame or applaud some businesses or business people's reactions with what support or profiteering was offered/gained.

It would allow people to decide if they want to support that business moving forward. Kind of vote with your feet. I would certainly support having some options to decide what kind of businesses I want to support.

We are starting to get more information and data to make better informed decisions on what we buy and who we buy from. If we can make this more transparent and give people some easy and quick to access data on this to make solid informed decisions it has to be a good step forward.

Sounds like the basis for a possible business for someone right there I would guess.

I have no issues with companies making standard market charges for their wares as they do have costs and staff to pay. For anyone to clearly profiteer I am not sure this is so ethical or morally correct.

There was a plan the Jürgen Klopp was supporting to take a 30% pay cut that I feel the Premiership and FIFA/EUFA could effectively impose or forcibly apply to the club's. There are a few sportsmen/women who have taken it upon themselves to donate some sizeable monies to the cause which is fantastic. Trouble is many haven't. It is an extremely wealthy part of society at the top end. This is their chance to give a chunk back to says thanks to all those people who have supported their lucrative careers.

Jurgen Klopp seems like a decent guy to me and drives a very normal daily car unlike many of his players. Seems like a pretty grounded and decent guy.
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The PFA says that they won’t be accepting pay cuts to Premiership players as it will harm the NHS by depriving them of revenue gained from income tax.
 
Oneball said:
The PFA says that they won’t be accepting pay cuts to Premiership players as it will harm the NHS by depriving them of revenue gained from income tax.
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That is bizarre and I'm sure likely true. Thing is many of these top players have complex tax arrangements often so the real tax they pay is much less than it could or should be with standard arrangements. So what is the real tax loss? Not so much I wouldn't have thought.

Maybe do it a different way and create an NHS contribution fund with a certain % taken instead. This way any monies taken directly goes to the NHS and no loss in incurred.

Maybe many football club supporters should think long and hard about how much they support their clubs after this. They have a chance to do the right and good things at no short term reduction in their lifestyles.

I have no issue in most companies taking the option to furlough their staff. They are worried about their businesses and people's jobs. Even at 80% most employees are likely in nett terms better off financial in fact. If the company makes up the 20% then they are likely seeing financial improvements in real terms. All while not working so have 37.5 hours or more extra hours in their week to look after children or spend time doing things they need to do in the current circumstances.

So in essence the employee who is not furloughed is not disadvantaged at all as is still the same as they weren't. Just disadvantaged when compared to the furloughed staff possibly.

However at the end of this most people should be just thankful they are alive, healthy, have a roof over their head, food, clothes and may even be able to have a job at the end and return to some kind of normal life.

There are and will be many who weren't/aren't so lucky.
 
daverichardson said:
Really hope there is a society reset after this. We must get out of this celebrity culture in all walks of life and value real stuff
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Agreed.....I fear not but I would 100% support the need to do this.

We have lost so many core/key values, morals, attitudes and simplicity. Some have no idea how lucky they are.with what they have. They have no idea what essentials are and what luxuries are and the differences.

A reset and massive wake up call for some is required and has been for some time. Maybe throughout all the negatives we can forge some really great positives to help us become a better society and world.

It is an opportunity we wouldn't see under normal circumstances.

Does a first team premiership squad member really need to earn nearly £10k per day on average? Mmmm.....
 
Oneball said:
The PFA says that they won’t be accepting pay cuts to Premiership players as it will harm the NHS by depriving them of revenue gained from income tax.
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Right, this fecks me right off.
Really?
Tell u what then premier league players......you pay the tax element on your full wages and then donate the rest to the NHS -as you feel so bad, for just a couple of weeks.
(By the way, apparently the government can just print a couple of hundred billion from nowhere and give that to the NHS....MMt..)
Another reason why a reset is needed.
 
rockits said:
This is a little bit of a weird one with some of the people caught in some of the self employed gaps. Many self employed people will personally get 80% of previous reported profits but could also be still working on 100%. So would be earning much more than normal earnings.
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I have not really investigated this as I am PAYE but as I understand it you can’t work (self employed or otherwise) if you are furloughed so the only way to get the 80% on top of any other earned income would be to cheat the system and I can’t see any self employed people doing that ;) can you?
 
I'd have less of an issue with these sector if they were paying the right levels of tax. Many aren't. Don't get me started on the low life we call agents!
 
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