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Wattie said:
Anyone managed to figure how this finally plays out?
Seems to me that the entire "western" civilisation is going to be on some sort of isolation/lockdown for quite sometime.
3-6 months being touted around.

But what happens if at that point its all resolved...lets say in Oz and the Uk. Do we all just go out again?

Surely international travel is not going to resume at that point, or if it does will their be quarantine? Will people be issued with some type of certificate if they travel that says they have anti-bodies (if indeed they even exist?)

Half the planet may still be battling it, ME, India, Africa,.......presumably they stay cut off, Europe too by the looks of the way its going there.

I cannot see life as it was returning for many, many, years.

Seems to me that each economy will have to become largely self sufficient to a degree, create the skills, jobs and trade internally through the process as it unfolds.
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GeoffCapes said:
From when I had it (I think) it is down to each individuals body/lung condition in the first place. My wife and son were certainly under par by some way.
Whereas me with **** lungs and asthma I had it a lot worse and it wiped me out for almost 3 weeks.

However, I still think we had the mild symptoms, or the weaker strain.

IMHO If you are unfit, overweight, smoke, have low immune system and get the bad strain you are in big trouble!
If you are all of the above and get the weaker strain you're going to be in a bad way but should still recover.
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Sounds like you and FC were in the same boat. Thank goodness you all got over it.
 
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Rwc13 said:
What will be will be. Got better things to do than waste a bunch of time crystal ball gazing. I prefer to live in and enjoy the now
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Yup, I agree - however if collectively we can fathom the direction we are all headed it may assist with preparation for it.
As an example I think we’ll see the end of cash. They’ve been looking for an excuse to get rid of it for years and they’ll use the “virus spread handling risks ” as justification. That has implications for a lot of current businesses/individuals/wealth transfer/taxation/ privacy.
 
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lozcb said:
I have some very credible theories , which I would only voice on pm , probably a bit tin foil hat for most , and it wouldn't do to have two whackies on here now would it lol
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I’d probably be in agreement with most of which you’d post then. I have a tin foil suit in the cupboard for special occasions.
Go on then list a couple, dare you.
 
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It all depends on the economic tipping point. There will be an over riding point in time which unless the global economy starts to switch back on in a big way, then we will end up going back to the stoneage ( bit like The Slag Brothers ' Rock and Gravel' on The Wacky Races...for those of you who remember it). And I suspect it will have to be much sooner than the scientists would like. 4 months maybe but I suspect no longer than 6 months, after which governments will be faced with a very difficult choice, either accept the collateral damage that the virus is bringing on society but try to minimise it as best they can ... or go bankrupt. Sadly its as black and white as this because a vaccine wont be around for least 18 months for the masses to use.
 
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Wattie said:
Yup, I agree - however if collectively we can fathom the direction we are all headed it may assist with preparation for it.
As an example I think we’ll see the end of cash. They’ve been looking for an excuse to get rid of it for years and they’ll use the “virus spread handling risks ” as justification. That has implications for a lot of current businesses/individuals/wealth transfer/taxation/ privacy.
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I would suggest it is impossible to fathom anything at the moment. There is just too much uncertainty. So it will remain pure guesswork most of which will be likely proved wrong. A bit like the guesswork of economists!

Plus, I suspect all such efforts will be heavily laden with doom and gloom rather than positivity, and it feels like there is more than enough of that around at the moment. People are resilient and the world and economy will bounce back, and for some this will happen much faster than for others. It was ever thus.
 
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No takers?
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Go on then I’ll have a crack. Depends on the level of normal you mean. Fully normal, yeah a few years. Some degree of more normal? Surely has to be some attempt at normalcy in the next 3 months or so. Just cannot see economies being able to sustain this shutdown for longer.
Let’s say an economy that relies heavily on tourism - I don’t know, somewhere in the Caribbean, one of the ones that doesn’t have a healthy reliance on money laundering, Barbados? - re opens for travel from somewhere that’s seen a drop in cases, and happens to be a big market - the UK? Could be a domino effect?
If Spain can see a drop off in cases there will be huge pressure there to re open the tourist floodgates, domino effect within Europe?
I think travel is the key. Once people start travelling again, different countries having different social distancing norms and rules, we’ll get a rapid return to something normal

Whether that’s a good thing or for good reasons, I’m not saying, just trying to make a prediction
 
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philw696 said:
To be fair Loz I'm open for all theories but I do think the Chinese have a lot to answer for and haven't been truthful mate.
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For starters .............................and yes Wattie cashless society is part of the agenda .................and has it happens was originally due to be piloted in New Zealand

What i think is being played out now is exactly what and how the media have engineered the average thinkng man to evalute thus far , whether or not our government or other governments are behind and in unison is up for debate , but regardless its all intended to cause utter confusion , to deliberately install multiple ideas/remedies into the public arena is by design to create a divide and rule .................and the answer being proposed to fix all this confusion is

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/o...-to-cope-with-covid-19-says-former-british-pm



 
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Reports this morning that China has underreported the Covid-19 impact by a factor of x40.
No great surprise if they have played it down, but by a factor of x40!!!
Some of the hospital and mortuary planning that going on makes more sense now.
 
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Wattie said:
Anyone managed to figure how this finally plays out?
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OK, I'll have a go.

Most Western countries will go through the peak level of hospitalisations and deaths over the next one to two months (maybe 3). Following this, sufficient numbers of people will have recovered from the illness (having had symptoms from nil to near death) and testing will be sufficiently available to demonstrate this. Only the vulnerable will need to maintain any level of isolation, despite the reduced level of infections, due to continuing risk to them if they did happen to get it. Death rates will be negligible in population terms, but the Press and citizenry will still report individual coronavirus tragedies, continuing to ignore the underlying population death rates.

Over the following 3 to 9 months (depending on country) most people will return to broadly normal life, although the very vulnerable will still be rightly nervous, and somewhat frustrated at being increasingly ignored. However, recovering capacity in health infrastructure and improved treatments will be encouraging for these people, with an increasing volume of recovery stories. Trump will be re-elected, as his hard-core supporters turn out in force to celebrate his strong leadership during the crisis, and Biden's campaign becomes lacklustre due to him being dead.

In much of the developing world, death rates will peak a bit later, due to lower rates of international and inter-regional travel, but will be worse due to less effective heath systems and infrastructure. But they will cope better, both emotionally and economically, due to an underlying higher mortality rate and more basic infrastructure disguising the impact somewhat. Population immunity will develop at about the same rate as in developed countries, and widespread testing will be rolled out by WHO, aid organisations and local healthcare systems.

Gradually, over the next 12 months, as death rates stabilise and the number of people who have recovered increases, there will a resumption of almost full normality including international travel. There will be a small economic boom world-wide as people spend more freely (using both government handouts and savings), as they come out of the period of restriction. Notably with older people, who have been hoarding wealth, now realising they need to live more actively. Governments will become concerned about the inflationary effect of their lax monetary policies during the crisis. The stock market will rise and the value of gold will drop like a stone, and not just because Wattie timed his shift into equities perfectly.

Social behaviours and working practices will generally return to normal, with people keen to get together in person again, frustrated by the inadequacies of 'distant socialising', video-conferencing and working from home. There will be no changes to the pay and conditions of 'beloved essential workers' like nurses and checkout clerks, but celebrities, footballers and CEOs will see a 10% rise in their earnings as usual. There will be no change in social attitudes or in care for the plant as almost everybody returns to their old ways. There will be a boom in both recruitment and conference attendance.

The Press will orchestrate a public witch-hunt about the handling of the crisis with the normal phases 3-6 of any incident like this: Hunt for the Guilty, Punish the Innocent and Reward the Uninvolved. Boris will be declared to be the saviour of the nation or public enemy number one, or possibly both.

Over the following years, the disease will remain something of a problem, adding about 2-10% to previous levels of global annual influenza/pneumonia deaths. Although there will be a fairly effective programme of vaccination for the vulnerable, plus a strong level of underlying immunity in the population. Consequently, winter deaths rates in the UK will increase from the previous average of 10,000 to 15,000 people per week to more like 11,000 to 17,000 per week.

After 2-3 years, serious scientific studies of the whole crisis will emerge which will be fairly contradictory, especially when wildly misinterpreted by the scientifically and statistically illiterate Press. We will start to look back on 2020 with embarrassment as we start to feel, rightly or wrongly, that we all got a bit overexcited about the whole thing.
 
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