Apocalypse Cow: How Meat Killed the Planet

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rockits said:
In general that conventional farming and they way we grow and source our food is archaic and needs a massive rethink. Also attitudes need to change.

The growth of livestock is currently twice the rate of our population growth. We do not have the space or resources to keep the current rates of growth. Estimates are we won't be able to feed ourselves at some point this century.

Science is the way forward for me. Using new ways/techniques we can create enough food to meet total global demand from a space the size of Iowa.

They can create identical meat without all the negatives of conventional meat farming while also taking out all the bad parts in the meat that are no good for us but keeping all the good stuff. So reducing all saturates etc. that we know contribute heavily to heart disease, some cancers and others illnesses/diseases.

The domino effects of doing one good thing lead to many other positives. In reverse the domino effect of doing one bad thing leads to many other negatives.

It wouldn't take too much of a change to create meaningful movements in the right direction. Create that movement and it snowballs.
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Something also not known, is that the global livestock emits as much CO2 as cars... also, read about the impact of all that livestock poop and how it completely destroys the land they live on, making it useless for farming for decades !
 
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happydaze said:
I think 'going vegan' is not going to make anyone live longer.

It may just seem longer...
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LOL. I guess it is like all things that we have, want, desire that feel in the modern world are essentials when in reality of course these are luxuries. Some people really don't seem to know the difference!

If we do without something for a while you kind of accept often you are not so bothered about losing it or being without it. Some things for some people though will be a step too far.

I don't think becoming a vegan or vegetarian is a valid answer or solution. A really simple thing would be to eat less as clearly this is a current issue for many. We reduce consumption, reduce obesity, people will feel better, be healthier, the NHS improves and win win all-round.
 
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This is the Facebook post I referred to.

"It’s hilarious, all these school kids preaching to us oldies that we ruined the planet! Back in the 60’s and 70’s and 80's not a plastic bottle to be seen it was all glass that were reused, pop bottles taken back to the shop. No plastic bags, loose food was brown paper bags, all sweets were bought in 1/4lb put in a paper bag. Mothers used shopping trolleys to carry heavy stuff or used a linen bag. You walked to school from 5yrs to 16yrs not jumping into mummy’s or daddy’s 4+4. No McDonald’s or Burger King plastic toys, no polystyrene food boxes for you to litter the streets with, we used newspapers to wrap our hot food in. Our milk was delivered at 5 am 6 days a week in glass bottles by a milkman who drove an electric vehicle! Holidays were in a caravan in Britain not an aeroplane to far off destinations. So I think these youngsters need to take a look in a recycled mirror and think was it my wasteful generation who are ruining the planet.

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Agreed Phil. Lots of progress in some areas but so much regression in others. There were some great ideas of efficiencies we already had that need to be brought back but I guess our buying habits and ways would need to change to support this.
 
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rockits said:
Agreed Phil. Lots of progress in some areas but so much regression in others. There were some great ideas of efficiencies we already had that need to be brought back but I guess our buying habits and ways would need to change to support this.
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Except a large part of it is BS

Glass bottles take a lot more energy to produce and transport.
Mac Donalds came in polystyrene (and doesn't now, I think)
Paper bags were destroying trees, plastic bags were all over the place
Package holidays abroad were already hugely popular, and the planes were a lot less efficient.
Yes we walked to school (well I did)

As ever. Not simple

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Contigo said:
This is the Facebook post I referred to.

"It’s hilarious, all these school kids preaching to us oldies that we ruined the planet! Back in the 60’s and 70’s and 80's not a plastic bottle to be seen it was all glass that were reused, pop bottles taken back to the shop. No plastic bags, loose food was brown paper bags, all sweets were bought in 1/4lb put in a paper bag. Mothers used shopping trolleys to carry heavy stuff or used a linen bag. You walked to school from 5yrs to 16yrs not jumping into mummy’s or daddy’s 4+4. No McDonald’s or Burger King plastic toys, no polystyrene food boxes for you to litter the streets with, we used newspapers to wrap our hot food in. Our milk was delivered at 5 am 6 days a week in glass bottles by a milkman who drove an electric vehicle! Holidays were in a caravan in Britain not an aeroplane to far off destinations. So I think these youngsters need to take a look in a recycled mirror and think was it my wasteful generation who are ruining the planet.

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That's how my childhood was in the 60'S and my teens in the 70'S.
My Mum cooked all food from scratch and we always had a pudding too.
No dishwasher that was us kids.
Walking and cycling.
Summer holidays were in Wales and camping touring of Europe.
I certainly remember them as Good Times.
Having kids myself two were more than enough and now at 57 I don't think I'm going to get grandkids.
 
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And biscuits were sold by the pound, and put in brown-paper bags. These bags were re-used many times, to hold your lunch on the way to school - about a mile walk each way. School shoes were not required util high school!
 
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jasst said:
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Troubles is it isn't that simple in reality though. Even the end to end process of keeping/rearing cattle uses power, electricity, transport, feed that also in turn uses electricity, power that all burning fossil fuels. The 80% doesn't seem right to me but regardless a percentage of this is directly proportionally created by a cows existence.
 
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This is a good source of balanced information on food production and sustainable farming. Well worth reading through a number of the articles on here about the important role grasslands and grazing animals play in carbon reduction, soil fertility and producing nutrient rich foods: https://sustainablefoodtrust.org/
 
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Reading all about lovely juicy steaks on here has just spurred me on to nip off to the supermarket this morning and buy a couple of nice fillet steaks for my tea tonight. Might even go extra large and skip the veg.
Yummy!
 
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GeoffCapes said:
Also, proteins in meat enabled the human brain to develop differently from our ape relatives. Hence humans are they top of the tree (so to speak) on planet earth.

Without them we'd probably still be living in trees!
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Didn’t know you were a vegan Capes :p
 
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