Anyone had the jab yet?

[Zep]

Being over 50 I have been trying all week to book my jab but the system keeps erroring. Phoned up twice and been told there is an IT error and to keep tying.

BS I think and short on vaccines I feel

I had assumed you would have had it if I had, agree something isn’t right there.

 

[Alan Surrey]

On another front...
Here is an interesting fact.
The lifetime risk of being killed in a traffic accident is 1 in 107 (in the USA).
Should we all stop driving now?

 

[Saigon]

On another front...
Here is an interesting fact.
The lifetime risk of being killed in a traffic accident is 1 in 107 (in the USA).

Possibly true if you are in the USA, as I am in the U K then surely the chances of me being killed in a traffic accident in the USA is Zero.

 

[Wattie]

That only makes sense if you take the view that the whole population needs to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity and thereby prevent excess deaths from a virus with a 99.7% survival rate.

I agree (and mentioned previously) that vaccines have been effective and should be taken up by those in vulnerable age groups and/or who have underlying health issues. But the rest of us should be left to acquire naturally immunity as the virus becomes endemic. Basically, once those that are at risk are protected, let the rest of us get on with our lives and make our own choices, as we do in other areas of health, wellbeing and social interaction. Sweden is a good example of this approach.

I assume you would support flu vaccines for all too based on your point of view ? Vaccinating everyone for everything regardless, on an annual basis with top up jabs in between ? Those top up jabs by the way already having been excused the rigour of a testing regime.

According to latest media reports, the UK should achieve herd immunity next week in any case. So we should be in good shape if the vaccines are as effective as they are reported to be, and we shouldn’t see any 3rd wave in terms of excess deaths.

As an aside, it interests me greatly that there has been so little coverage throughout the pandemic about how we can all protect ourselves in other ways, through diet, exercise, supplements, etc. Basically, optimising our own highly effective immune systems. If the Government approach was really all about saving lives, surely there should be a more holistic approach to public health.

I think I’ve just found my brother from another mother.

https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/anyone-had-the-jab-yet.32931/post-852022

 

[doodlebug]

I had assumed you would have had it if I had, agree something isn’t right there.

Oh, I thought you were years older than Matt.

 

[Scaf]

It strikes me that people find there own truth in this situation.

Blox’s experience is of an injury caused by a vaccine and he has very reasonably formed his view around this.

My experience is of the loss of a cousin who, with no co-morbidities, contracted Covid in the early days, gave it to his mother, and they both died, leaving another cousin without a mother or brother. This also happened to a colleague of mine who pulled through after 5 weeks in ITU, but woke up to discover that he had passed it to his mother who had died. This means that I am pro-vaccine, on the basis that I wouldn’t wish what happened to my family on anyone.

People should make their own choices and take as much care as they can to avoid catching this grim disease in whatever way they see fit.

There is little point arguing the toss, people will find their own way regardless, and we should respect those choices.

That’s terribly sad Zep, I have seen the sharp end of this and heard many many stories, like you I am pro vaccine.
As for you friend, I have a colleague in the same situation, the doctors keep telling him that no one can be sure how and where they catch it, so he can’t be certain he passed it to his mum.
Whichever way you look at it though, it’s tragedy.

 

[Sommi]

I am not 45 yet but got the text to book it in. So had the AZ jab yesterday. So far no sixth toe or whiskers.
No headache no fever. Just massive heart burn but that could be due to drinking Sangria followed by Champagne followed by Old Monk rum followed by a couple of Johnnie Walker green label as eve enders.

 

[doodlebug]

On another front...
Here is an interesting fact.
The lifetime risk of being killed in a traffic accident is 1 in 107 (in the USA).
Should we all stop driving now?

It's one in 240 in the UK.
Apart from 'proving' that UK drivers are considerably better than those from the States, the UK lifetime stat is also about 5 times lower than one instance of dying from COVID.
It's also has a significantly different outlook when you consider the age demographics of those killed in RTAs.

 

[doodlebug]

I am not 45 yet but got the text to book it in. So had the AZ jab yesterday. So far no sixth toe or whiskers.
No headache no fever. Just massive heart burn but that could be due to drinking Sangria followed by Champagne followed by Old Monk rum followed by a couple of Johnnie Walker green label as eve enders.

No, definitely the vaccine.

 

[Zep]

I think I’ve just found my brother from another mother.

https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/anyone-had-the-jab-yet.32931/post-852022

Lets wait and see. I can only see this being true if he spends the next week posting the same thing over and over again, in what appears to be an attempt to wind up the people who disagree with him.

 

[Wattie]

Lets wait and see. I can only see this being true if he spends the next week posting the same thing over and over again, in what appears to be an attempt to wind up the people who disagree with him.

or an attempt to put some perspective on what’s going on

 

[Zep]

or an attempt to put some perspective on what’s going on

It was. The first time.

 

[Zep]

That’s terribly sad Zep, I have seen the sharp end of this and heard many many stories, like you I am pro vaccine.
As for you friend, I have a colleague in the same situation, the doctors keep telling him that no one can be sure how and where they catch it, so he can’t be certain he passed it to his mum.
Whichever way you look at it though, it’s tragedy.

Thanks Sam. Appreciated. I know you have seen the worst of this. I still have the last unanswered message in my WhatsApp, it’s hard to look at.

He was a massive petrolhead, my fondest memory is of us blasting some backroads in his Alfasud and he restored my Fiat 500, driving it all the way from Naples.

I shall continue to live they way I know he would have liked.

 

[Wattie]

or an attempt to put some perspective on what’s going on

It was. The first time.

But this is an ongoing scenario Zep with others of opposing views contributing to an ongoing thread too.
It’s a developing situation.....like the new untested mixnmatch tactics. (France/Germany)

Look at Philw696’s response to the above.

“Cheers mate Ms French not sure and I know lots of people here refusing the AZ vaccine.
Will ask questions on Monday as we both feel healthy but without a vaccine passport we won't be able to travel in the future”

Sounds like he may have to accept and consent to being part of an untested vaccine regime....or accept he can’t travel if he refuses the AZ.

It seems that the threat of the virus is now moving to a threat of the removal of civil liberties (possibly permanent) -unless you comply with what the political establishment (in your country) decree.

That threat is more dangerous IMO.

 

[Zep]

But this is an ongoing scenario Zep with others of opposing views contributing to an ongoing thread too.
It’s a developing situation.....like the new untested mixnmatch tactics.

It seems that the threat of the virus is now moving to a threat of the removal of civil liberties (possibly permanent) -unless you comply with what the political establishment (in your country) decree.

That threat is more dangerous IMO.

Yes, in your opinion, which we are all familiar with in great detail. So give it a rest, as requested. Thanks.

 

[Wattie]

Yes, in your opinion, which we are all familiar with in great detail. So give it a rest, as requested. Thanks.

It’s not just my opinion- many won’t stick their heads above the parapet around these parts tho.
Enjoy your evening.

 

[Zep]

It’s not just my opinion- many won’t stick their heads above the parapet around these parts tho.
Enjoy your evening.

Whether it is or isn’t just your opinion is irrelevant. No-one is saying you shouldn’t have it and express it, but if you tone down the frequency and the rhetoric it wouldn’t get the reaction it does.

I will, thank you. You too, whatever time it is where you are.

 

[Swedish Paul]

It’s not just my opinion- many won’t stick their heads above the parapet around these parts tho.
Enjoy your evening.

You are getting so tiresome. We all know what you think. I respect your opinion. It’s your choice. On other subjects I generally like your input. You’re not daft. But give it a rest. Please.

 

[doodlebug]

Warning, boring post alert. Here's a short history of vaccination which I expect most will find a very dull.

Smallpox was declared globally eradicated in 1977. It is estimated that half a billion people died from smallpox in the last century. Yes, 500 million people, not the pissy 3 million attributed to COVID. On average, 5 million every year.

Several hundred years ago, inoculation was the only way of reducing small-pox related deaths. Like COVID-19, another Chinese innovation.

Inoculation is a process whereby a very small number of live but usually weakened live virus are given to healthy individuals who then make enough antibodies to become immune. Inoculation had around 2% to 3% mortality because it was a live virus.

In the late 18th century, Edward Jenner discovered that he could use contaminated objects touched by those suffering with cowpox to give immunity against small pox. This 'vaccine' had significantly lower mortality than inoculation and it eventually led to the complete eradication of the smallpox.

Cowpox has a similar protein chain as smallpox and tgw body's immune system manufactured antibodies which were effective against smallpox. This is how most modern vaccines work, give or take a couple of minor details which I can tell you about if you really have trouble sleeping.

As a bonus, small pox has an incredibly low rate of mutation which certainly helped with its eradication. The cowpox vaccine would still work today if the last known strain of smallpox miraculously reappeared.

However, COVID-19 only has a relatively low rate of mutation, a lot lower than other Coronavirus and also significantly lower than influenza. But it is definitely mutating.

Crudely, the key to eradicate any virus is to vaccinate significant numbers in a time-scale shorter than the virus's mutation period so that the vaccination is still effective even for early mutations. This stops the virus propogating successfully.

It is important to note that all viruses mutate if they are allowed to reproduce. Other than full quarantine, vaccination is the most effective way to stop reproduction.

Whilst I accept that everyone has the right to refuse vaccination, they should also be aware that the long-term aim of vaccination is to stop virus mutation. It is not solely for the protection of the individual.

TLR
If you want to be rid of COVID-19, take the vaccine. Any vaccine.

 

[Wattie]

Warning, boring post alert. Here's a short history of vaccination which I expect most will find a very dull.

Smallpox was declared globally eradicated in 1977. It is estimated that half a billion people died from smallpox in the last century. Yes, 500 million people, not the pissy 3 million attributed to COVID. On average, 5 million every year.

Several hundred years ago, inoculation was the only way of reducing small-pox related deaths. Like COVID-19, another Chinese innovation.

Inoculation is a process whereby a very small number of live but usually weakened live virus are given to healthy individuals who then make enough antibodies to become immune. Inoculation had around 2% to 3% mortality because it was a live virus.

In the late 18th century, Edward Jenner discovered that he could use contaminated objects touched by those suffering with cowpox to give immunity against small pox. This 'vaccine' had significantly lower mortality than inoculation and it eventually led to the complete eradication of the smallpox.

Cowpox has a similar protein chain as smallpox and tgw body's immune system manufactured antibodies which were effective against smallpox. This is how most modern vaccines work, give or take a couple of minor details which I can tell you about if you really have trouble sleeping.

As a bonus, small pox has an incredibly low rate of mutation which certainly helped with its eradication. The cowpox vaccine would still work today if the last known strain of smallpox miraculously reappeared.

However, COVID-19 only has a relatively low rate of mutation, a lot lower than other Coronavirus and also significantly lower than influenza. But it is definitely mutating.

Crudely, the key to eradicate any virus is to vaccinate significant numbers in a time-scale shorter than the virus's mutation period so that the vaccination is still effective even for early mutations. This stops the virus propogating successfully.

It is important to note that all viruses mutate if they are allowed to reproduce. Other than full quarantine, vaccination is the most effective way to stop reproduction.

Whilst I accept that everyone has the right to refuse vaccination, they should also be aware that the long-term aim of vaccination is to stop virus mutation. It is not solely for the protection of the individual.

TLR
If you want to be rid of COVID-19, take the vaccine. Any vaccine.

Interesting post.
Totally unrealistic final paragraph.