Alfieri to be built in Italy (Shock!)

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From ANE, there is a union / management meeting with new FCA Europe boss Pietro Gorlier. Alfieri set to be built in Modena (which I think we all knew). Anyway, this is the "story" from ANE..

MILAN -- Fiat Chrysler Automobiles is expected to commit to producing new models in Italy, including Jeeps and a Maserati-based Alfa Romeo SUV, union sources said, as the automaker strives to fill underutilized plants and lift profit margins in Europe.

The plan would also include building Maserati's new Alfieri sports car in Italy, sources said.

FCA's new European chief, Pietro Gorlier, will meet with unions on Thursday to discuss the proposals and present them to journalists later that day.

FCA declined to comment.

FCA appointed Gorlier last month to tackle a region where profitability is below that of peers, thousands of workers are on temporary layoff schemes, and some plants run below capacity.

In his last strategy unveiled in June, FCA's late CEO Sergio Marchionne vowed to keep converting Italian plants to build Alfa Romeos, Jeeps and Maseratis instead of less profitable mass-market vehicles in an attempt to preserve jobs and boost margins.

Jeep production

FCA's Melfi plant in southern Italy, which already produces the Jeep Renegade, is expected to also produce the Jeep Compass, the sources said. The Compass will replace the Fiat Punto, which was discontinued in August.

The Pomigliano factory near Naples is set to keep the Fiat Panda, the most sold vehicle in Italy, the sources said, dismissing earlier reports the model could return to FCA's plant in Poland, where it was made until 2011.

Pomigliano will also get the new "baby" Jeep, smaller than the Renegade, which will be another model targeting European clients.

Unions have been awaiting news of product plans to see whether workers, some of whom have been on temporary layoff schemes for years, would be brought back,

Marchionne initially promised to fill all European plants by the end of 2018, but in June said that goal would likely slip to the end of the current strategy plan in 2022.

The Fiat brand will be reduced to a few models such as the iconic 500 and the popular Panda hatchback. The 500 family in particular will become a big part of the company's electric vehicle drive in Europe.

The Mirafiori plant in Fiat's hometown of Turin may be chosen to assemble the new electric Fiat 500, the sources said, but added the plans were not yet final, especially as the combustion engine version is currently made in Poland.

Mirafiori may also be used to revive the Fiat 500 Giardiniera wagon, they added.

Alfa large SUV

Mirafiori already produces the Maserati Levante, but sales of the luxury SUV fell sharply in recent months due to weak Chinese demand. The Levante platform may also be used to produce a new SUV for the Alfa Romeo brand, bigger than the Stelvio SUV that was launched in 2016, the people said.

Maserati's sporty Alfieri model will likely be made in the brand's hometown of Modena, the sources added.

The world's seventh-largest carmaker in June outlined a global plan to ramp up production of SUVs and invest 9 billion euros ($10.2 billion) - out of a total spending plan of around 45 billion euros - in electric and hybrid cars in an effort to double operating profit by 2022.

FCA's operating margin in Europe recovered to 3.2 percent last year, which compares with Europe-focused PSA Group's global automotive margin of 7.3 percent. FCA expects that margin to grow to between 5 and 7 percent by 2022.
 

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Well this does back up all the rumours we are hearing regarding the Alfieri.

Good stuff, now don't blow it Maserati by not offing a NAV8 to go with the cheaper V6T option.

Electrified front axle is also a must to show that Maserati is still innovative and relevant.

An all electric model....I feel like the diesel fiasco you are too late to the table and the hybrid is the better option for a prestigious marque as yours plus your current customer base would not embrace it. A cylinder deactivation V8 would satisfy both the MPG and the power expectations.

A Maserati without the V8 growl is not a Maserati in my book.
 

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Just thinking. What would a NAV8 Alfieri do to GTS prices?
And similarly what would it do if they didn't offer a NAV8?
 

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Just thinking. What would a NAV8 Alfieri do to GTS prices?
And similarly what would it do if they didn't offer a NAV8?

I don't think Maserati would be concerned about GTS prices. Maserati need to look as its current V6 offering to project what not offing the NAV8 will probably do.

Alfa: 4CT and 6CT
Maserati: 6CT and NAV8 with electrified front axle
 

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I don't think Maserati would be concerned about GTS prices. Maserati need to look as its current V6 offering to project what not offing the NAV8 will probably do.

Alfa: 4CT and 6CT
Maserati: 6CT and NAV8 with electrified front axle

Of course Maserati won't give a stuff, I'm thinking about my next purchase.
 

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Well this does back up all the rumours we are hearing regarding the Alfieri.

Good stuff, now don't blow it Maserati by not offing a NAV8 to go with the cheaper V6T option.

Electrified front axle is also a must to show that Maserati is still innovative and relevant.

An all electric model....I feel like the diesel fiasco you are too late to the table and the hybrid is the better option for a prestigious marque as yours plus your current customer base would not embrace it. A cylinder deactivation V8 would satisfy both the MPG and the power expectations.

A Maserati without the V8 growl is not a Maserati in my book.

You being serious about a N/A V8? Not a hope in ****.
 

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Can't see a V8 option, smaller turbo engines are the future and they already have access to the engine in the Giulia QF
 

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Of course Maserati won't give a stuff, I'm thinking about my next purchase.

Well, if Maserati do produce and NAV8 Alfieri, it will be North of £120k. GTS prices are already on their knees but 10-15 year old V8 Maseratis do have a habit of bouncing.

With more interest in the brand, people could look back at the older models and push up demand which in turn pushes up prices.

A sorted GTS with 30-45k miles on it at £30k is a bargain as it is.

You have to look at what is below the GTS to determine the 'bottom'

You have 3200's at £7-12k, 4200's at £7-18k, Spyders at £13-20k then GS's £20-30k. I don't feel there will be much movement in those brackets.

Is a GTS worth less than a GS...I personally don't think so, the same maybe but not less so I would feel fairly confident the early GTS's will fill the £25-35k bracket for some time.

Of course, just my opinion.
 

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You being serious about a N/A V8? Not a hope in ****.

We can all dream BB, we can all dream...

The Alfieri will be the flagship model so I feel it is likely. Ok, it will probably not be NA but a V8 none the less.
 

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Well, if Maserati do produce and NAV8 Alfieri, it will be North of £120k. GTS prices are already on their knees but 10-15 year old V8 Maseratis do have a habit of bouncing.

With more interest in the brand, people could look back at the older models and push up demand which in turn pushes up prices.

A sorted GTS with 30-45k miles on it at £30k is a bargain as it is.

You have to look at what is below the GTS to determine the 'bottom'

You have 3200's at £7-12k, 4200's at £7-18k, Spyders at £13-20k then GS's £20-30k. I don't feel there will be much movement in those brackets.

Is a GTS worth less than a GS...I personally don't think so, the same maybe but not less so I would feel fairly confident the early GTS's will fill the £25-35k bracket for some time.

Of course, just my opinion.

And if they don't produce a NAV8? A price bounce?
 

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With my optimistic head on, why not? Merc have a V8, as do BMW, as do Audi, as do Ferrari, as do Ford, as do a number of others, so it is possible.

Possible but they stopped developing the 4.7 engine six years ago. It's dead and buried. I'm sure the V8 TT will be fine.
 

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Hum, so we have gone full circle thread drift back to money/mileage/value.

I must admit to being guilty of this regarding my Strad and keeping the milage down for the purpose of resale.

I have been thinking 'sod it' lately and just keeping it and not worrying about the merrygoround of trying to climb the Italian Sports car market.

The last NAV8 Maserati produced possibley?

Problem is, I will want a new Alfieri when it comes out.
 

bigbob

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Hum, so we have gone full circle thread drift back to money/mileage/value.

I must admit to being guilty of this regarding my Strad and keeping the milage down for the purpose of resale.

I have been thinking 'sod it' lately and just keeping it and not worrying about the merrygoround of trying to climb the Italian Sports car market.

The last NAV8 Maserati produced possibley?

Problem is, I will want a new Alfieri when it comes out.
Keep it and cherish it for the next decade on 2-3k miles pa.

Also buy something else to use like a high mileage 4.7 GranTurismo at auction of whatever for £20k.
 

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Dont forget that FCA (and Maserati) have lower emissions limits than their German counterparts. So they are not allowed to produce as big engines without punitive taxes on ALL their cars.
 

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Dont forget that FCA (and Maserati) have lower emissions limits than their German counterparts. So they are not allowed to produce as big engines without punitive taxes on ALL their cars.

Ford have the V8 in the mustang though.