AC trouble

rusty iron

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Hi All, Ive got a non working AC on the 4200. Everything seems to work and its been recharged but I have noticed the engine fan doesnt come on with the AC. Want to check the fan relays but cant work out how to remove them.Dont want to do it in car as I dont want to destroy an expensive module or something. The high speed works for engine cooling but Im not sure about the low side. Can jump the relays on the main power side and both speeds work.Coming on to Summer here in AUS so its kinda important. Hope you can help. Colin
 

Oneball

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You say the ac doesn’t work and everything seems to work so what exactly isn’t working? Is it just the rad fan or is it not blowing cold too?
 

rusty iron

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You say the ac doesn’t work and everything seems to work so what exactly isn’t working? Is it just the rad fan or is it not blowing cold too?
Hi Oneball, Every thing works, comp.engages ,there are noises that seem to indicate the inside controls work, had it regassed, Just no engine fan on when I turn on AC and no cold.
 

Oneball

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Get a multimeter and see if there is a signal to the rad fan relay when you turn the AC on. It does sound like it’s not getting this signal as you seem to have ruled out resistor, fan and relays already. Which is odd as something is turning the compressor on.
 

Oneball

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If you’ve got a reader that can read ac codes you should be able to read live data that’ll show “ac on”
 

rusty iron

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If you’ve got a reader that can read ac codes you should be able to read live data that’ll show “ac on”
Ive got a Launch 431 but I dont think that shows AC info. The inbuilt AC reader shows No faults. Tomorrow Ill get the multi meter out. Thought it was best to work from the fans back. My regular drive is a Peugeot 504 , No AC so no problem, open a window but when the AC is there its got to work.
 

Zep

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I would be checking the high pressure / loss of charge switch. This will engage the fan as the pressure increases.

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Oneball

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Ive got a Launch 431 but I dont think that shows AC info. The inbuilt AC reader shows No faults. Tomorrow Ill get the multi meter out. Thought it was best to work from the fans back. My regular drive is a Peugeot 504 , No AC so no problem, open a window but when the AC is there its got to work.
My Launch will read the AC on my 2006 Merc, so might be worth a try.
 

rusty iron

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Time for the good old pressure gauges.
HI Phil, Ive had the gauges on it and it seems Ok. Low side is bit high but I put that down to the fan not coming on. Ill attack it again tomorrow. Where is the High pressure switch Zep.? Its a 2002 4200 coupe Thanks all for the input.
 

conaero

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Failed AC is one of the biggest PITA to fix but don’t let it phase you, it’s not actually that complicated.

If you were to remove all the parts and lay them on the floor there is not that much too it.

You have to, as above advice, go through it with a methodical mind.

Assuming the HVAC unit is not at fault.

Number one would be to have the system vac check, gassed and oiled. Check again a week or two later and note the charge and discharge amounts to prove the system is holding.

Next, you need a compressor that is engaging (ping) and compressing.

Two ways to check this, 1. Listen for the clutch pinging and engaging or visually watch for the front pulley to engage and disengage. 2. Check the pipes are hot, cold or chilled. If the cabin fan is not working or stuck on one speed (thermoresistor) the AC will not engage the pump/work properly.

Pressure switch is where I would look next, you can pull the plug off it/bridge it to see if it makes any difference.

Finally, I would replace the condenser and dryer filter. Working but in efficient systems usually come down to a blocked dryer filter sometimes caused by too much oil being added to the system. Oil should be 15-20ml max, too much and the system clogs and you won’t clear it. We pulled 360ml from a system recently which was acting like yours. New condenser and dryer required.

A correctly working but inefficient cooling system should still cut the fan in and out. If it’s not, you need to determine that first.
 
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Zep

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HI Phil, Ive had the gauges on it and it seems Ok. Low side is bit high but I put that down to the fan not coming on. Ill attack it again tomorrow. Where is the High pressure switch Zep.? Its a 2002 4200 coupe Thanks all for the input.

It’s on one of the flanges that connects to the drier (17). When you have the gauges on, what are the high and low side pressures? With no fan the high pressure should go super high and the low side super low. If you have high low pressure and low high pressure then you have no compressor. If high pressure is high and low pressure is also higher than expected it’s a blockage so check the drier as Matt said.

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rusty iron

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Failed AC is one of the biggest PITA to fix but don’t let it phase you, it’s not actually that complicated.

If you were to remove all the parts and lay them on the floor there is not that much too it.

You have to, as above advice, go through it with a methodical mind.

Assuming the HVAC unit is not at fault.

Number one would be to have the system vac check, gassed and oiled. Check again a week or two later and note the charge and discharge amounts to prove the system is holding.

Next, you need a compressor that is engaging (ping) and compressing.

Two ways to check this, 1. Listen for the clutch pinging and engaging or visually watch for the front pulley to engage and disengage. 2. Check the pipes are hot, cold or chilled. If the cabin fan is not working or stuck on one speed (thermoresistor) the AC will not engage the pump/work properly.

Pressure switch is where I would look next, you can pull the plug off it/bridge it to see if it makes any difference.

Finally, I would replace the condenser and dryer filter. Working but in efficient systems usually come down to a blocked dryer filter sometimes caused by too much oil being added to the system. Oil should be 15-20mm max, too much and the system clogs and you won’t clear it. We pulled 360mm from a system recently which was acting like yours. New condenser and dryer required.
Hi Conaero, been through most things, next on the list is check the relays and the pressure switch ( where is it ) The AC hasnt worked really well since Ive had the car ( 7 or 8 years ) Colin
 

rusty iron

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Thanks all, Ive got a few things to check now so will let you know how it goes, It may be a wsek or so as every thing seems to happen at once. Im starting to think that it may not have been recharged correctly. Colin
 

conaero

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if it were me, due to the age and seeing pump end of life, seizing and taking the Aux belt off, I feel it’s time to replace the compressor, condenser and dryer. I would if it’s a keeper