New Spyshots Maserati Granturismo

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DLax69 said:
...so less likely that there's a common platform/architecture under the skin? May also explain why the interior is lagging, if they aren't pulling any gawdawful iPad parts off the shelf...
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What I can tell you is that it features a T-bone construction, across the EV and ICE cars. What that means is that the battery pack is arranged into the same T shape that a traditional ICE car is, rather than a 'skateboard' flat bottomed layout. They were very pleased with this in the press conference, because this allows the car to sit lower – and its occupants.
In theory, such lowness (and central mounting) will help with CoG, as long at the battery packs aren't stacked too high in the car (I can't imagine they would be).

This T shape means it's around 1350mm high compared to 1423mmm of the Panamera to the 1406mm Continental GT.

A couple of things left out of the press release but were part of the presentation was the range. Modena/Trofeo - 650km, and Folgore 450km.
Other things that might interest is that there are 310 litres of boot space in the ICE, and 270 in the Folgore.
Recharge rate (20 per cent to 80 per cent) takes 18 minutes at 270kW.
AC Charging up 22kw
DC charging up to 300Kw * 800v
DC booster 400v-50kw

HOWEVER – take these figures with a pinch of salt as these weren't included in the final press release, and there's probably a reason (as in they haven't been officially tested in some way).

One of the interesting things they've done is to take the – and apologies if this descends into marketing BS – the "DNA of the traditional Maserati sound" and applied to the sounds the EV propulsion sound can produce. That does indeed read like marketing balls on reading it back, but they did demonstrate the process, if not the sound, and I used to make electronic music in my youth so I understand the theory. Essentially, taking the sonic emotional 'high points' and applying them to an EV.
Quite how that will translate, I'm not sure – they were emphatic that it wouldn't be fake V8 noises, it would be something new and certainly based on the sounds from the EV propulsion system. There are three external speakers for maximum dawn drive annoyance (to reference a Dara O Brian tale when he owned a GranCabrio).

Compared to the GranTurismo
1935mm wide +20mm wider
1350mm -24mm lower – which is why it looks 'smaller'
4899mm longer+14mm
Wheelbase 2929mm

They haven't ruled out a return to motorsport with the GranTurismo, though obviously the MC20 project comes first.

These were hastily typed notes from the press conference (which I eventually got booted out from after I asked a question).
 
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DLax69 said:
...so less likely that there's a common platform/architecture under the skin? May also explain why the interior is lagging, if they aren't pulling any gawdawful iPad parts off the shelf...
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One theory but it's only speculation is that it's all to do with heat dissipation from the T-shape battery pack.
 
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Sounds like they’ve just stuck the batteries where you would normal find the transmission and fuel tanks on a petrol car.
 
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Oneball said:
Sounds like they’ve just stuck the batteries where you would normal find the transmission and fuel tanks on a petrol car.
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Which is actually rather smart...if the weights are essentially the same, then balance is totally unaffected...
 
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Nayf said:
What I can tell you is that it features a T-bone construction, across the EV and ICE cars. What that means is that the battery pack is arranged into the same T shape that a traditional ICE car is, rather than a 'skateboard' flat bottomed layout. They were very pleased with this in the press conference, because this allows the car to sit lower – and its occupants.
In theory, such lowness (and central mounting) will help with CoG, as long at the battery packs aren't stacked too high in the car (I can't imagine they would be).

This T shape means it's around 1350mm high compared to 1423mmm of the Panamera to the 1406mm Continental GT.

A couple of things left out of the press release but were part of the presentation was the range. Modena/Trofeo - 650km, and Folgore 450km.
Other things that might interest is that there are 310 litres of boot space in the ICE, and 270 in the Folgore.
Recharge rate (20 per cent to 80 per cent) takes 18 minutes at 270kW.
AC Charging up 22kw
DC charging up to 300Kw * 800v
DC booster 400v-50kw

HOWEVER – take these figures with a pinch of salt as these weren't included in the final press release, and there's probably a reason (as in they haven't been officially tested in some way).

One of the interesting things they've done is to take the – and apologies if this descends into marketing BS – the "DNA of the traditional Maserati sound" and applied to the sounds the EV propulsion sound can produce. That does indeed read like marketing balls on reading it back, but they did demonstrate the process, if not the sound, and I used to make electronic music in my youth so I understand the theory. Essentially, taking the sonic emotional 'high points' and applying them to an EV.
Quite how that will translate, I'm not sure – they were emphatic that it wouldn't be fake V8 noises, it would be something new and certainly based on the sounds from the EV propulsion system. There are three external speakers for maximum dawn drive annoyance (to reference a Dara O Brien tale when he owned a GranCabrio).

Compared to the GranTurismo
1935mm wide +20mm wider
1350mm -24mm lower – which is why it looks 'smaller'
4899mm longer+14mm
Wheelbase 2929mm

They haven't ruled out a return to motorsport with the GranTurismo, though obviously there MC20 project comes first.

These were hastily typed notes from the press conference (which I eventually got booted out from after I asked a question).
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Dammit. I swore I would never spend 200k on another new car in my life...

Thanks for this, @Nayf!!
 
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CatmanV2 said:
Odds on the batteries are denser.

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No doubt...just suggesting less likely to have to modify suspension components/able to keep similar pieces + parts rather than two entirely different frames...seems a reasonable and responsible approach
 
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DLax69 said:
No doubt...just suggesting less likely to have to modify suspension components/able to keep similar pieces + parts rather than two entirely different frames...seems a reasonable and responsible approach
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Indeed. After all you may not need to fill the entire space. But then you end up with the Eurofighter cannon issues.

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I also think this heralds very good things for the design of the next generation QP.
 
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rs48635 said:
if you want a tailgate - maybe find the next used FF?
this 2014 sold for 114k after recent spend of 24k on new PTU ( Power Train Unit = engine+box?)
auctions.manorparkclassics.com

Lot 36 - 2014 Ferrari FF V12

Lot 36 - 2014 Ferrari FF V12
auctions.manorparkclassics.com auctions.manorparkclassics.com
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i had one for 3 years……still thought it was ugly the day I sold it! Replaced it with a QP V 4.7 Sport GTS and now I look back at and don’t wince!
 
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They can now be completely rebuilt by two Ferrari independant engineering companies for approx 7K.
The Forks holding the oil seals cannot take the pressure in some that have had a hard life. The Launch control starts are one problem in that the 4 wheel drive in the first 4 gears only put a lot of demand onto the front gearbox and a good few have had PTU (power take off unit) problems. Ferrari charge 31k for a replacement but the rebuilt ones are better in that the Forks holding the oil seals are much stronger and the circlips holding in the oil seals are sat in deeper grooves.
Fchat Forum has a dedicated section to the issue which unfortunately effects some V12 Lussos as well for the same reason.
Cars that have have just the one or two careful owners who haven't continually thrashed the life out of their cars rarely have had problems.
I never had a problem with my 2015 FF which had done 17000 miles of brisk driving and many now have clocked up 30-40.000 mls without issue.
If considering a used FF with 20k + miles it is worth pricing in the 7K as the rebuilt box is bullet proof.
 
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Nayf said:
What I can tell you is that it features a T-bone construction, across the EV and ICE cars. What that means is that the battery pack is arranged into the same T shape that a traditional ICE car is, rather than a 'skateboard' flat bottomed layout. They were very pleased with this in the press conference, because this allows the car to sit lower – and its occupants.
In theory, such lowness (and central mounting) will help with CoG, as long at the battery packs aren't stacked too high in the car (I can't imagine they would be).

This T shape means it's around 1350mm high compared to 1423mmm of the Panamera to the 1406mm Continental GT.

A couple of things left out of the press release but were part of the presentation was the range. Modena/Trofeo - 650km, and Folgore 450km.
Other things that might interest is that there are 310 litres of boot space in the ICE, and 270 in the Folgore.
Recharge rate (20 per cent to 80 per cent) takes 18 minutes at 270kW.
AC Charging up 22kw
DC charging up to 300Kw * 800v
DC booster 400v-50kw

HOWEVER – take these figures with a pinch of salt as these weren't included in the final press release, and there's probably a reason (as in they haven't been officially tested in some way).

One of the interesting things they've done is to take the – and apologies if this descends into marketing BS – the "DNA of the traditional Maserati sound" and applied to the sounds the EV propulsion sound can produce. That does indeed read like marketing balls on reading it back, but they did demonstrate the process, if not the sound, and I used to make electronic music in my youth so I understand the theory. Essentially, taking the sonic emotional 'high points' and applying them to an EV.
Quite how that will translate, I'm not sure – they were emphatic that it wouldn't be fake V8 noises, it would be something new and certainly based on the sounds from the EV propulsion system. There are three external speakers for maximum dawn drive annoyance (to reference a Dara O Brian tale when he owned a GranCabrio).

Compared to the GranTurismo
1935mm wide +20mm wider
1350mm -24mm lower – which is why it looks 'smaller'
4899mm longer+14mm
Wheelbase 2929mm

They haven't ruled out a return to motorsport with the GranTurismo, though obviously the MC20 project comes first.

These were hastily typed notes from the press conference (which I eventually got booted out from after I asked a question).
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What question got you booted out Nayf?
 
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