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Even at the top level there must be some in the know and some less so. Multiply that globally and this is a real complex mess of who do you trust or not and what data do you trust and not?

I know the sky is blue because I can see it. All this other stuff I can't see so have to work on the premise of taking a pinch of salt with everything we are told unless it can be a trusted fact. I'm a logically thinking person and there is not total logic behind much of this stuff.

Why have we never 'socially distanced' so much before with any other infectious diseases including the seasonal flu? I had suspected swine flu back some years back and quarantined myself in my bedroom for 2 weeks until I was better as we had a young child/baby at the time. I was rough with heavy flu but nothing more than that. Got better and have been fine since.....well sort of!

I fear we have gone way overboard and done more damage than CV could ever have done. Or if we haven't maybe we didn't go far enough. Too many anomalies for me.
 
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rockits said:
.......,,,I had suspected wine flu back some years back and quarantined myself in my bedroom for 2 weeks until I was better as we had a young child/baby at the time. I was rough with heavy flu but nothing more than that. Got better and have been fine since.....well sort of!

I fear we have gone way overboard and done more damage than CV could ever have done. Or if we haven't maybe we didn't go far enough. Too many anomalies for me.
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When SARS first appeared, there wasn’t a mad dash to build 10,000-bed hospitals in China. They knew what they were dealing with from the word go and were warned by those at the coal face exactly what was about to happen. It seems logical that those guys were working on it or had manufactured it, but I doubt we’ll ever find out the truth.
 
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Was thinking earlier about the spread of CV to Africa and places in war zones with poor/non-existant hospitals.

Why hasn't CV practically wiped out all of the Syrian refugees?
And in crowded places in Africa where medicine is hard to come by?

Or is it that it's just not being reported?
 
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Im used to getting the odd sly look , as a keen Trump advocate ( in terms he's a necessafy tool at this present timeas is Boris ) rockits and silvetcat your forgetting your place by thinking outside of the box you have to return to being mushrooms once again im afraid. Your monitored algorythyms will expose you for who you really are "dissenters" are you religeous , if so read up on a guy called Barry Smith a New Zealander , he was advocating this back in the 80's , met him several times and went to some of his seminars although I'm not religious more out of intrigue , he was very very close in too many areas to dismiss it entirely
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LOL......it is good that maybe 25-50% of us on here don't appear in this virtual 'box'. We think for a start which is more than most.....maybe over think often but I'd rather over think than under think or not think at all.

I am not religious at all. I believe in myself and that is pretty much it. I understand and appreciate history but history is the past. It is not the present of the future. It is this I think about more.
 
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I’m in the accidental camp.
The “cover up” conduct suggests this- imo.
A naturally occurring event would have seen no malice from anyone, anywhere -if they (China) had asked for help in dealing with something never seen before.
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I think on balance it probably was an accident but it would have helped if China had been completely transparent from the outset and more truthful with the numbers affected. I still think the real numbers are more like x10 the quoted position but at some point it will no doubt come out for sure.
 
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The only politician I follow is Bob Stewart.
very interesting post today about the NHS procurement system.
I won’t spell it all out on here but it’s ridiculous.
preferred suppliers !!
 
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Good point Dave.

This imbalanced corruption of preferred suppliers has been around for many years not just in the NHS but in all walks of society as a whole. People deal with people often and that is understandable and can be a good thing when they have trust and a sound/strong relationship for delivery and good work/jobs.

Then you get the flip side where this is not of any concern and it the relationship is based on how much both sides can squeeze to of every jobs and situation. You help me and I'll help you in return. In this scenarios in my experience there are two winners and often one or two losers. The supplier and their contact wins with the purchasing company as whole and staff/end user consumers losing. Corruption at its finest!

So it can work well and can work terribly. It depends on the people. However measures should always be in place that allows corruption to be found, exposed, ceased and dealt with. I fear that the NHS doesn't have enough of this in place and is seen as a cash cow for many. This is clearly very inefficient and has to change as it servers no purpose than lining the pockets of the corroborated pairs both benefiting from these scenarios.
 
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It’s not just (or even) corruption in NHS procurement. The whole function is driven by cost and by a group of managers that are targeted on cost savings. So cost overrides everything. The NHS is also very bad at measuring, evaluating and holding suppliers accountable for performance. And then they wonder why they get **** products and services that don’t deliver, and compromised supply chains...
 
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Interesting view from the front line in London
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/worst-is-past-london-coronavirus-outbreak-a4418456.html
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Interesting. Personally I think the government has responded well in the light of various experts offering hugely different statistical outcome analysis. It was appropriate to go heavy and hard as they did with the lock down but the story so far is of controlled transmission - ICUs up here in Scotland have been running at 50% capacity and over much of the country the Nightingale hospitals are untouched. The good news is that we have lots of emergency capacity for the second wave but the question is how big will it be and when? Also how quickly will people want to get back to normal and forget about unnecessary journeys, social distancing etc? If this is not managed careful then V2.0 will be worse in a few months time.
 
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rockits said:
Good point Dave.

This imbalanced corruption of preferred suppliers has been around for many years not just in the NHS but in all walks of society as a whole. People deal with people often and that is understandable and can be a good thing when they have trust and a sound/strong relationship for delivery and good work/jobs.

Then you get the flip side where this is not of any concern and it the relationship is based on how much both sides can squeeze to of every jobs and situation. You help me and I'll help you in return. In this scenarios in my experience there are two winners and often one or two losers. The supplier and their contact wins with the purchasing company as whole and staff/end user consumers losing. Corruption at its finest!

So it can work well and can work terribly. It depends on the people. However measures should always be in place that allows corruption to be found, exposed, ceased and dealt with. I fear that the NHS doesn't have enough of this in place and is seen as a cash cow for many. This is clearly very inefficient and has to change as it servers no purpose than lining the pockets of the corroborated pairs both benefiting from these scenarios.
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Preferred suppliers have their place and for good reason, especially where equipment performance, IPR issues, and in-service support are significant. IMHO cost should not be the principal driver for preferred/approved supplier lists and if it is it should, at the very least, reflect supplier performance.

Preferred lists or not, if reports of NHS supply issues are to be believed they would suggest a level of complacency for which heads should roll, right up to and including responsible Ministers. Maybe the NHS should strip out a few managers and use the savings to beef up their future supply chains.

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Very well put Phil, seems they are the first bleat , and not really looking in the mirror, its commonly called passing the buck , unfortunately its serious this time , and i woud go as far to say not only should heads roll , but prosecutions to follow , they have enjoyed the 6 figure salaries and done the crime , let them do the time,
 
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rockits said:
Lots of interesting media bouncing around now. Hard to know what to believe.

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In light of the above , would you advise your parents , or do you personally think differently now as to whether to have the yearly flu and pneumonia jabs
 
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The jist of Bob Stewart’s post was that he had been contacted by 4 companies that had stock and they were struggling to get it into the supply chain for the NHS.
For various reasons! Preferred suppliers being one of them.
 
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In light of the above , would you advise your parents , or do you personally think differently now as to whether to have the yearly flu and pneumonia jabs
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I’ve never had the flu jab. I’ve never had the flu or a bad cold really. Probably due to living in a council house with only a parafin heater for heating and gaps in the window frames the birds could get through. Appen was tuff up North in’t old days.
 
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So, for clarity whose heads should roll, you know, from the bottom up. Please give specifics. Genuine question.
(and there is no disagreement from me, some people have obviously behaved shamelessly and without thought).
 
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Phil the Brit said:
So, for clarity whose heads should roll, you know, from the bottom up. Please give specifics. Genuine question.
(and there is no disagreement from me, some people have obviously behaved shamelessly and without thought).
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You dont want much ..............................you aint working for the NHS by any chance Phil , that what they do pass the buck onto someone else , instead of doing some research for themselves lol ;)
 
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